William Wagner/Waggener
(I have seen the victim’s name spelled William Waggener and William Wagner. I am not sure which is correct)
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Gary Lindsey
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gary lindsey should be locked up and not on these streets.if it was a black man he would be locked up.this man got some ruff charges and he still aint locked up..
By: pook on July 19, 2009
at 12:44 pm
pook,
Race has nothing to do with this and please keep it out of here. From what I have heard, they ARE searching for Gary Lindsey and his race is NOT an issue here. Only with racists is it an issue. And what do you mean by “ruff”? That does not make sense.
By: mylifeofcrime on July 19, 2009
at 2:59 pm
racism isnt the issue my dad is mixed black and white and looks white you would never think he was black and his friend curt is really black it was all over 20 dollars worth of weed i feel bad being in florida cause if i was in louisville,ky he wouldnt have went out there but sitting next to me black my game
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 1:01 pm
so, this guy shoots the other in the back while he was running away. here in jacksonville,fl there have been so many police involved shootings identical to this case(running away and unarmed) but unfortunately they’re ruled justifiable homicides and these fucking pigs are never prosecuted! they get a week off with pay. now does that make any sense?
By: vinton on July 30, 2009
at 7:19 pm
Race DOES BELONG HERE! Just watch on A&E he used the n—- word during the shooting, which to me, should elevate the charges to include a hate crime element.
By: Charla on July 30, 2009
at 8:03 pm
stop using the race card
By: julia on July 31, 2009
at 5:24 am
man he aint racists he lived wit me after he done it we have black friends that are like our bbrothers.
By: cb on August 4, 2009
at 3:20 pm
brothers hun well billy is my father
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 12:47 pm
What the hell are you people talking about that race was NOT an issue. According to the witnesses, Lindsey was yelling the N word over & over again before he shot Wagner. Now I understand that using the N word in Kentucky is as common as using the word “the”. But don’t con yourselves into thinking that this was not about race!
By: Trent on October 18, 2009
at 11:48 am
Murder is murder fry his ass. He shot him in the back it wasn’t self defence. He had no right to take a life
By: Meagan on October 22, 2009
at 11:47 pm
Gary Lindsey is the definition of a coward.
By: 859er on October 23, 2009
at 9:22 am
Their is hope in any man. I pray for the Wagner family for there loss. I also pray for the family of the Lindsey’s. We must forgive those who have done wrong so that our place in heaven might be sealed. It is not up to you to decide who is wrong or right but to take these actions learn from them and better those around you. I am at a loss for words for our youth. I am 23 years old and a former US marine. This is a tragedy for both families. I think you should all take note what it really means to live. Do you really see yourself in the mirror. God Bless my prayers are with you.
CT
By: CT on October 25, 2009
at 7:52 pm
I saw this on the First 48 earlier this year and was captivated by the story because that is the neighbor hood I grew up in-the big apartment house accross the street from the American Legion and went to J.B.Adkinson elementary. I can’t believe that no one in that neighbor hood talked except the one man and the two that originally lied-and how the hell did they not get charged-when I lived there, everyone was in everyone’s business-no matter what time of the day or night it was. At the end of the First 48 show, they had Lindsay arrested and charged-Why was he not convicted-he shot the man in the back of the head while chasing him down the road after Wagner got out of a vehicle…how can any of that be self defense? I know there are travesties such as this that happen everyday, and I am saddened for the families and for all involved.
By: Carole-Anne on December 30, 2009
at 4:35 pm
what was the result of the trial? Gary didn’t get off did he?
By: Angie on May 12, 2010
at 2:19 pm
I have not found anything on this trial or a plea, nor is he listed as being in prison in KY. I will see what I can find out tomorrow.
By: mylifeofcrime on May 12, 2010
at 4:07 pm
gary isnt in jail and from what ive heard there were crookedcops in the case not to mention first 48 changed the story
By: jordan on August 25, 2010
at 9:50 am
Jordan,
Please be more specific. What EXACTLY was changed?
By: mylifeofcrime on August 25, 2010
at 4:54 pm
somebody else was with wagner and that person pulled out an object acting like it was a gun
By: jordan on August 30, 2010
at 5:22 pm
Unless you were there, this is heresay and not evidence.
By: mylifeofcrime on August 30, 2010
at 7:34 pm
curt was my dads so called best friend and he didnt pretend to have a gun cause if he did why would you shoot my dad and not the guy with the gun????????????????????????/……. get your facts straight before speaking
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 12:57 pm
Stephen you should file a wrongful death suit against Gary Lindsey and his family. You, his wife, or parents are the only ones who can file a suit. This punk has some old grandparents that live in Edmonton, Kentucky. Gordon Moody is the trust fund. Take his damn inheritance away and any future wealth he may accumulate. He took your father, mentor, and best friend without any remorse of what he has done. This punk needs to pay!!!
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 10:52 am
stephen, I just found out today almost 3 years later. I did time with your dad and we had some good times. We both went in together on the same day and we became friends and partners. We were always partners in every tournament that rcc had and we won most of them. We were great card partners, I cant believe it. Sorry for your loss
By: brad on December 1, 2011
at 11:32 am
Gary’s trial is postponed until November/December. Also, gary’s family is sueing first 48. they apparently changed the story on the episode.
By: Mr.K on September 6, 2010
at 9:44 pm
there sueing the first 48 hours so he can get money to get out of jail when death is involved there shouldnt be any a bail that was my dad and if it was yours you would feel the same way gary is a liar and always had the intension to kill my dad it was a set up
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 12:55 pm
I live in the neighborhood and grew up with Gary. We all have black friends and treat them like any other person. RACE WAS NOT INVOLVED!! The First48 did in fact change the story. Mr Waggner was breaking in the house of Gary Lindsey while Gary was home. Im not saying that Gary was right for shooting Mr. Waggner, but i would do anything to protect me and my family. However, Gary should not have shot him while he was running away. Gary’s trial is pushed over until November.
By: LF on October 14, 2010
at 9:14 pm
I believe the truth will come out in court with 48 hours the winners….
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 10:44 am
does anyone know the result of the trial?
By: Bob on January 12, 2011
at 12:40 am
They gave this guy only 3-years for cold blooded murder. The sentence was “Reckless Homicide.” I will have to remember that one in case I ACCIDENTALLY shoot some one in the back of the head running away from me…..
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 10:42 am
Hes been to court like 9 times and its all been leyed over. I talk to him and he said hes 100 percent not guilty.
By: RW on May 12, 2011
at 12:21 am
fuck that shit that was my dad excuse my french but gary had no right to chase him down and shoot him
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 12:52 pm
Everybody is innocent in jail and they all find Jesus to get out…..
By: Grover on November 7, 2011
at 9:05 am
If in fact Gary shot this man dead while he was running away, off of his property without evidence showing an attempt at breaking into his house, then Gary is guilty and Justice needs to be served. Gary has no right to kill a man that is running away from him with the “assumption” that William was breaking into ..(whatever it was he was doing). Send Gary to jail!!! Justice!!
By: Nathan Swanson on May 17, 2011
at 10:28 pm
billy is my dad and gary will be brought to justice if not in court well then possibly in gods hand
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 12:51 pm
They gave this guy only 3-years for cold blooded murder. The sentence was “Reckless Homicide.” I will have to remember that one in case I ACCIDENTALLY shoot some one in the back of the head running away from me…..
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 10:41 am
they spelled his name wrong its waggener
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 12:49 pm
please ask me about the case its my father so io know more then anyone and how can you sit there and lie gary i know your here listening to these comments you little bitch!!!!!!!…. saying my dad tried to still your air conditioner you must not be smart im 16 and i know if its 10 degrees out side with 3 feet of snow why would you go break into someone house itll be to loud first you have to cut off the heat the unscrew it the have a companion hold the other side to pull the plug i check it and theres no way to do it with out being inside plus itll be to loud so fuck you pussy asshole you couldnt have done that with out a gun if you didnt have one you’d be in that snow and i hope you stay in jail and even if you get out god works in mysterious ways and god didnt bring men on earth for you to just a life im done i cant talk about this anymore
By: stephen on July 9, 2011
at 1:09 pm
Gary Lindsey is a know drug dealer in the west end. He is a racist and calls black people niggers. He ran down the street yelling nigger when he shot an unarmed black man in the back of the head!!! He has no remorse and his family has stated ‘It’s just another dead nigger!”
By: Grover Cleveland on October 30, 2011
at 6:30 pm
gary is not and never has been or will be a racist… its sooooooooo hilarious how people make false allegations against people… all my brother was doing was protecting his and his belongings… its sad yes that a man had to lose his life but also sad that my brother had to put in that situation .. i love you big bro and ill be by your side threw thick and thin…
By: stefony on November 1, 2011
at 4:30 pm
Your “Bro” has been in trouble before and is in other trouble besides this shooting correct? It’s so hilarious how iliterate every one of Gary’s friends are on here! Wow! It’s so sad how you believe your brother was protecting “his and his belongings.” LOL Your Bro killed a man for nothing except he was black…..
By: Grover on November 7, 2011
at 9:01 am
Gary is a racist Stefony….You just don’t want to believe it. His crimes have been/are against black people. You just think it’s sad that your brother took a man’s life? It’s unfathomable! Your brothers Wal-Mart items are not worth someones life. Use a phone call 911 or detain the person till the police arrive. But, to chase someone down two blocks and shoot them in the back of the head because they are black is a racist act girl! Besides, it was proven and investigated that William was not breaking in.
By: grover on November 7, 2011
at 10:29 am
Garys not a racist ; & he was protecting his life ; if you dont talk to gary the dont try to say things because you dont even know ! if waggner was breaking into his house when he was home then he had a right ; yeah its sad that another mans life got tooken but it was to protect him ; just get off of him k thanks !
By: cleaveless on November 17, 2011
at 3:07 pm
How do you know I don’t know him? Is it because I don’t misspell words and sound like I have somewhat of an education that you think I don’t know of him?
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 6:33 am
ummm everyone who is calling Gary racist is wrong ! ive grownn uup around him & he has many black friends ! hes like my big brother ; hes known me since i was a liddle baby & i know him better than alot of people ! so i would like you all to please* quit callin him a racist ! thanks !
By: cleaveless ! on November 1, 2011
at 5:07 pm
I would like for you to go back to school and become literate, but that is not going to happen either is it?
By: Grover on November 7, 2011
at 8:53 am
umm excuse me i am in school ! & i would like it if you wouldnt call someone ive known for a long time racist !
By: cleaveless on November 8, 2011
at 7:48 pm
Well, I hope you pay more attention in school than your friend and you don’t shoot unarmed people in the back. Since your in school….Look up the word racist and see if the definition doesn’t fit. Here let me help you out with Gary’s use of the N-word repeatedly chasing William before he shot the unarmed man in the back of the head.
1.racist – based on racial intolerance; “racist remarks”
racial – of or characteristic of race or races or arising from differences among groups; “racial differences”; “racial discrimination”
2. racistracist – discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion anti-Semite, anti black discriminatory, prejudiced – being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; “a prejudiced judge”
By Gary screaming out the N-word repeatedly earns him the title of “RACIST.” He didn’t yell stop thief and he shot the man in back of the head like a coward. Sorry if the truth offends you, but you should pick your friends wiser because he could shoot you next.
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 7:44 am
Well look up racist young man while you are in school and see if it doesn’t lock right in with Gary’s use of the N-Word.
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 10:35 am
ima girl ? & umm thanks but i already know what it means & it REALLY* doesnt fit Gary ! you need to just stop commenting because for one you dont know me & your just mad because you didnt get to see Gary get what you want ! but gary wasnt using the n worrd ; thats a lie ; & even if he did ; i know hes not racist ; so yeah ! hop off this & yeah leave Gary alone !
By: cleaveless on November 17, 2011
at 3:11 pm
It doesn’t matter what Gary got in the court system. He will have to live with this for the rest of his life. He is not that strong of a person and will not survive in prison. He cried like a little girl when his sentence was read. He can act bad all he wants but the truth is already out. All the homies in prison saw this or will know of it. Prisoners don’t respect weakness….He is fresh meat right now they are just waiting for Gary to get there.
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 7:17 am
It’s funny how every time a BLACK person has something done to them people wanna play the RACISM card but if william shot Gary it wouldn’t BE RACISM it would be self defense !
By: john on November 2, 2011
at 7:47 pm
excatly but since gary shot him he gets called racist & how he deserves all these years in prison ; but to be honest ive grown uup with him & dont care what anyone has to say i know alot about him & appently other people dont so they need to just stop !
By: cleaveless ! on November 3, 2011
at 5:01 pm
Seriously, you believe chasing down and shooting an unarmed man in the back of the head who is running two blocks away from your home as self defense?
By: Grover on November 7, 2011
at 8:50 am
umm ^ you dont know the story now do you ; no idont think so ! people change things around so you really need to know the real story !
By: cleaveless on November 8, 2011
at 7:49 pm
I have kept up with this story since it started. I know the facts of this case and I know your Gary is no angel by any stretch of the imagination…..It’s funny how when a thug gets into trouble he suddenly becomes an angel and never did anything wrong. I hope you choose a wiser path in life son.
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 7:48 am
i never said Gary was a angel ; im just sayin ive grown up around him & hes like my big brother & i know the story ! people have been changing the story ; but yet i really do know the story & ima stick by his side ; through thick & thin ; kthanksbye !
By: cleaveless on November 17, 2011
at 2:51 pm
& ima girl !
By: cleaveless on November 17, 2011
at 3:14 pm
Sorry I didn’t know you were a girl…
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 6:35 am
You’re right Cleveless he is not an angel by any stretch. I believe he has several other charges against him for other crimes pending right now. The story you know is the one he has told you and others to cover his butt. There was some of the truth that came out in court and others just lied for him, or out of fear of reprisal from him. If the total truth came out Gary would have been convicted of murder. I am willing to bet you any amount that Gary will lose his case against the 48 hours because they reported the truth and it always come out in the end..
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 7:37 am
Shooting an unarmed man running away is not self defense…..
By: grover on November 23, 2011
at 6:50 am
I’m tired of allt he racist shit , So what he shot some one OKay murder is murder he should do time weather he was protectin him self or not that man’s son has to grow up with out a father but i am soo tired of hearin how black people have it so bad they have it no worser then white people , Fuck the race if people period get off there ass and get a job no one would complain , Further more gary isnt racist he has pics with green & morris etc! last time i checked racist people carried / hung confederate flags! Instead of playin the racist card why dnt yu jus point blank say murder is murder! god damn !
By: john on November 3, 2011
at 7:32 pm
You’re right murder is murder….A hate crime is a hate crime….Guys like this punk “FRONT” that they like blacks, etc. You know how else are they going to do “business.” They love blacks when they need “something” or have something to “sell,” but hate them otherwise…..
By: Grover on November 7, 2011
at 8:44 am
Gary grew up around black people ; so i know hes not fronting ! so you really neeed to shuddup ; your talking about my fam ! & you dont know emm the way i do !
By: cleaveless on November 17, 2011
at 2:52 pm
Okay Cleaveless, when Gary’s father was asked about William Waggener being shot I heard he said: “It’s just another dead nigger.” That doesn’t sound like a non-racial statement to me. He didn’t say it’s just another dead man, black man, black person, black anything. He said plainly dead nigger. You can live in your world of make believe that they are not racist, but you can’t expect others to live there with you. Gary is not what you think he is and someday you will know better.
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 7:27 am
js ; i know his dad & i know for a fact that he most deff didnt say that ; im really close w/ them so yeah …. was you there noo ; his dad was told not to speak to them !
By: cleaveless ! on December 14, 2011
at 1:46 pm
This piece of garbage shot an unarmed man in the back of the head while he was running away. The piece of garbage know as Gary Lindsey chased the man down the street yelling n-word, n-word, n-word all the way firing shots. Yet, they did not try or find him guilty for a hate crime or murder. Reckless Homicide…..What a joke! Kill an unarmed man with no proof of anything being stolen or broken into and get Reckless Homicide….He claimed William was breaking in his house and then later his car. The police investigated and found this to be false. It was during the deadliest ice storm of 2009 in Kentucky history. If I was breaking into someones home that would be the day I would pick! Right….Temperatures well below zero and wind chills -20 with freezing rain with ice over and inch thick….Gotta be a complete idiot to believe this man was out trying to break into a home occupied with 3 people no less. William was a black man walking down the street going home and Gary was white with a gun..Possibly Gary was high if you saw the 48 hours show Cold as Ice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Firs… season 9 episode 3. His girlfriend I believe was arrested for obstruction of justice. Watch the show online it pretty much defines the case but wasn’t used in court? Also, how does he afford such a high priced lawyer and bonds? Gary lives in Portland and has no job or a means of support. I know some of you will say he has a flea market booth….right….I’m gonna open one if I can make that kind of money….LOL.
By: Grover on November 7, 2011
at 8:33 am
um you need to shut your mouth ! yoou dont know anything about Gary like i do ; & he does have a flea market booth ! & he does have support ! & hes forsure not a piece of trash ! & the first 48 twisted things around about his case ; so can you stop saying the things you say about him if you dont know him the way i do ! thanks !
By: cleaveless on November 8, 2011
at 8:14 pm
No need to be rude cleaveless…. You called him trash…I called him garbage. We both have the same idea. I know all about Gary and his flea market booth. Son if he is making that much bank with that little flea market booth…..What is he selling right?
You know it’s not CD’S……
By: grover on November 9, 2011
at 1:43 pm
i didnt* call him trash , i said you needa stop calling him that !
By: cleaveless on November 17, 2011
at 2:49 pm
Cleveless what do you think your friend would call you? He is just trying to save his own backside right now. He couldn’t care less about anyone or anything else. He has proven he has no regard for human life by shooting this man in cold blood and leaving him for dead. By supporting him you are supporting the killing of innocent, unarmed, and non-threatening people. You can’t just shoot someone because you are high on drugs and they happened to be walking down the street. You can’t just shoot someone for being black, Mexican, Indian, etc. That is a hate crime and should have been charged as one. No one would break into a house with people inside during an ice storm of epic proportions. Use your head for thought Cleveless before Gary uses it for target practice the next time he gets high.
By: grover on November 21, 2011
at 11:08 am
There is an old saying, ” Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are “.
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 8:05 am
Isn’t it funny how when people are confronted with the truth they stop talking….Not everybody is as uninformed as others would like to believe…
By: grover on November 21, 2011
at 8:21 am
My prediction is that Gary won’t go to jail for this crime before he will be convicted of his other crimes. His luck will eventually run out and he will get his due with additional prison time added when he is finally convicted. If he survives prison the first time he will become “in the cycle.” It’s a revolving door after this.
By: grover on November 22, 2011
at 7:44 am
I don’t think justice was served for the victim and his family. But with a few people thinking that he was justified in shooting at the “other” man, whom he said was holding his arm in a shooting position. I think that at least the family got a little justice. The jury had to go back and forth because a few didn’t agree with how the rules were written to decide his fate. Blame the State for how they decide to prosecute. I know someone that was on the jury pool and the prosection didn’t do a great job of presenting the case. I think that Gary will be involved in something else that will shine the light on who he realy is. My heart goes out to the son because he will won’t have a father around regardless of the type of man they presented in court.
By: JusticeNot Served on November 23, 2011
at 7:47 pm
JusticeNotServed you are 100% correct. The prosecution dropped the ball big time on this one. I’ve seen people get more time for abusing dogs! Look at Michael Vick! This punk shot an unarmed man in the back of the head running away from him while he was high on dope. He gets 3 years? What the hell is that?
By: grover on November 28, 2011
at 7:54 am
I just found out the other day about Wagner and still cant believe it. I live in northern ky and havent seen him in years. At one time we were the best of friends and by the way I am white. It doesnt mean shit to me nor did it mean anything to Wagner. But I have read the racist word already. I never called him Wagner or William so it seems strange calling him by that name but he had a nickname that I called him by. Just hard to believe that he is breaking into a house during a ice storm. I’m gald to read that Wagner has friends fighting for him and I would be glad to stand right beside you. The last time I saw Stephen he was still a little boy and I’m sure he doesnt remember me. But I did know his dad very well. Sorry for your loss he was one of a kind.
By: brad on December 3, 2011
at 10:08 am
You know it Brad….Why would William be out trying to break into a house at night with an ice storm of epic proportions going on…..it doesn’t add up!
By: grover on December 5, 2011
at 1:22 pm
Friday the 6th of January 2012 is the sentencing date for Gary Lindsey. With the other case he has against him he may serve more time than the three years….Maybe some small consolation to the family….
By: grover on January 5, 2012
at 6:43 am
Grease it up Gary the boys are waiting for you!
By: Grover on January 6, 2012
at 9:53 am
Grover – whoever you are, your ignorant! you don’t know anything about Gary or what is going on with the case. Who gets on the internet to talk shit about people but probably doesn’t even know the person? You talk like you do know him but i bet your one of those people who sit online all day with nothing better to do than run their mouth about someone they dont even know. Get out and do something with your life you’ve been commenting on here for how long? and still keep writing… No one else is reading what you have to say because apparently no one else wants to hear what you have to say!! And you want to get on here and call him racist, do you even know Gary? Apparently not because everyone who KNOWS him KNOWS hes far from racist. Your stories or whatever you’ve came up with in your little brain is wrong! Learn the REAL FACTS so next time you come on here and comment you wont look so stupid.
By: COOKIE MONSTER :) on January 6, 2012
at 3:47 pm
COOKIE MONSTER,
From your email address, it appears you are related to Gary Lindsey, so you are not so open minded either. Just because you don’t like what Grover has to say does not mean his opinions are not valid. He has a right to his opinions, as do you. Other people have commented (on news stories and such) that Gary was indeed racist. And just for the record, most people who read news stories or crime blogs do not know the victims or perpetrators. However, they are allowed to have opinions and can voice them. After all, this is America and we have freedom of speech. We are allowed to do so. And people DO read his comments, whether you like it or not. You do not see the stats but I do. And I have to read the comments before they are approved. So, am I not a person? Take your own advice and get the facts before commenting. Sorry, Grover does not appear stupid. After all, he was the first one to update us on Gary’s prison sentence. But of course, you NEVER mention that. Of course, it is an injustice as he should have had a lot more time since he did take a life. And I do NOT believe for a minute he was protecting his property. If that was the case, he would not have run all the way down the street. He would have stopped at the end of the property. And in a snowstorm? Get real. That was some anger and hate there. He shot William in the BACK OF THE HEAD. That is NOT self defense. He should be locked up for life.
By: mylifeofcrime on January 6, 2012
at 4:23 pm
Thank you mylifeofcrime for your support of my freedom of speech! Cookie Monster doesn’t appear to appreciate when the real truth comes out. She can check for herself about Gary’s next court case (502.574.8477).
Louisville Metro Correction services as it is a matter of public record updated every 15 minutes. This information is available for any inmates incarcerated in Louisville Metro. I have heard (not yet confirmed) his next case was against black people as well. I will confirm that once I have details. That court date is January 19th, 2012 700 W. Jefferson Street Louisville, Kentucky 40202 Court Room#703 Phone is 502.595.4660. I get information from reliable sources perhaps Cookie Monster should too….Also, I got interested in this case because it is just wrong to chase down a unarmed man and kill him without provocation, proof, no remorse, or suffer the penalties associated with the crime just for the color of his skin.
By: grover on January 9, 2012
at 11:07 am
Grover,
No problem! It appears that she has not been back or did not comment again, as I have not seen any comments from her.
By: mylifeofcrime on January 9, 2012
at 2:00 pm
Gary’s court date is now March 20th, 2012
By: grover on January 20, 2012
at 1:17 pm