Update: Eve Carson murder *ATM Surveillance Images reveal person of interest*

The hat is Houston Astros, probably.
http://item.express.ebay.com/Apparel-Accessories_Mens-Accessories_Hats_Houston-Astros-Orange-Throwback-Flex-Fit-Cap-Hat-NWT_W0QQitemZ270215608963QQihZ017QQptdnZHatsQQddnZApparelQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadnZMenQ27sQ20AccessoriesQQptdiZ686QQddiZ1410QQadiZ1338QQcmdZExpressItemand The car is interior looks just like a Toyota highlander (I own one).

Looks like this guy may be able to explain a whole bunch about where the car was.

By: staydaddy on March 8, 2008
at 10:38 am

The ebay item number was #270217390443 and showed the identical hat depicted in a phote distributed by police, but with the color scheme reversed (blue hat, orange star distributed by police)

By: staydaddy on March 8, 2008
at 10:43 am

The ebay item number 270217390460 depicts a similar hat in blue.

By: staydaddy on March 8, 2008
at 10:46 am

this one is even more similar, ebay item 370028853738

By: staydaddy on March 8, 2008
at 10:46 am

“African American male….big surprise!!!

By: Reb on March 8, 2008
at 12:51 pm

Reb,

What on earth do you mean by your comment?

By: mylifeofcrime on March 8, 2008
at 1:17 pm

just that this is so typical of these types of crimes we see in the news everyday, When I heard on the news that there were photos of the suspect trying to use the ATM machine I thought..” I’ll just bet..” sure enough I was right!

By: Reb on March 8, 2008
at 2:28 pm

Oh please.. Whites do as much crime as the blacks do… Stop being so racist.

By: Lavonna on March 8, 2008
at 3:22 pm

Lavonna, no they don’t, not on a per capita basis. FBI reports show blacks 9 times likelier to commit murder, 13% of the population commit 52 per cent of the murders. Why is reciting reality always considered racist? Is that the magic Talisman that will make whites shut up instead of finally becoming aware of racial realities? Read about this poor girl, she was so “pro diversity”. This is the ultimate in diversity.

By: Reb on March 8, 2008
at 4:05 pm

“Whites do as much crime as blacks…” What planet do you live on?! Per capita, blacks are much more likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes, like this viscious murder. That “racist” boogyboo ain’t working no more, sister, people know the score. If somone is killed out on the street by someone they don’t know, almost always the perp is black or hispanic.
Those are the facts, better you spend your time trying to figure out why, instead of denying the truth. An ugly truth that Americans does not want to acknowledge, never mind deal with. Kumbi-f’ing-ah.

By: Richard on March 8, 2008
at 4:40 pm

Lavonna Go get educated by Chris Rock

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jxGuBeyQM2M

By: Truthseeker on March 8, 2008
at 4:47 pm

Reb,
9 times more likely, huh? Where are you getting your statistics? In the statistics that I’ve seen, there is only a 1.7% difference in crimes of murder, white offenders vs black offenders. That’s not much of a difference!
Anyway, this specific situation isn’t about Blacks vs Whites, Or who is more likely to commit a murderous crime. I Hope that they find the individual(s) that is responsible for killing Eve Carson.
If Eve Carson was as “pro-diversity” or for the improvement of race relations, maybe you should pattern your life as she did. I don’t think that your comments are supporting of solving this crime. I think the comments are untrue, definitely not from any REAL reference, and yes very racist. I think that you should take a course or get some formal training about DIVERSITY and race relations. Maybe if you discussed your views with other individuals face-to-face and not through an internet reply box, you would be more cognizant of the real facts. It worries me however that you are using your hate to comment on Eve Carson, who undoubtedly exhibited a strong love for ALL people. Her family and friends, and my alma mater are going to miss an integral part of the Carolina Family. I will pray for you that you let go of your hate and misconceptions about people that are different from you in ethnicity or cultural background. And most importantly my prayers are with the family and friends of Eve Carson, that they will find peace in their time of sorrow.

By: C on March 8, 2008
at 4:51 pm

C. check these figures out and then go drink your kumbaya coolaid. Recognition of reality is not hate, not if you wwant to survive.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

By: Reb on March 8, 2008
at 5:54 pm

The version of the photo here is grainier than on some of the other websites, but in the clearer photos, it almost looks like she’s in the back, on the passenger side — you can just make out her shoulder and the profile of her face.

By: unc-student on March 8, 2008
at 6:06 pm

You are so right about it looking like someone is in the back on the passenger side. I went to a clearer photo, the one of him upclose on another site and it really looks like a person in the backseat because you can’t see what you think you would see if the inside of the back door were where you could see it. I mean no armrest or anything. But an article said that police said there was no one else in the vehicle. So I guess it must be much clearer when seen on the camera. I hope they find this guy. Surely someone seeing all this coverage knows him. I just pray they have the courage needed to turn him in.

By: sad on March 8, 2008
at 6:34 pm

The time of the ATM transaction will confirm whether or not she was in the car. It does look like someone is in the back seat on the passenger side. At least, there is something there. The police know what color her clothes were. Wonder if they were dark. That causes one to ask whether or not there is a third person in the back with a weapon. I would not think she would be tied up at that point. Nor would I think he would have the child locks on the doors.

By: emily on March 8, 2008
at 7:10 pm

You hate to say to…. But with a heinous crimes on this type, there is very little doubt that the perpetrator is a non contributing member of society. It is usually a low IQ individual who takes the life of someone who will essentially contribute to society instead of contaminating it. Obviously there is so much to crime fact, but numbers as they appear above are accurate, the only thing more overwhelming in crime stats than race, is social status, that number being the largest factor is without a doubt the major cause of crime….. Sorry to see something like this happen to someone who was so promising…

By: Dale on March 8, 2008
at 7:13 pm

I posted a better picture, but I am not seeing that. Can someone tell me where there is one I can see? THANKS!

By: mylifeofcrime on March 8, 2008
at 7:53 pm

Where is Rev. William Barber, president of the NC chapter of the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and the Rev. Jesse Jackson? Where is their outrage? I doubt if you hear from them.

Let’s look forward to a reverse discrimination play in this idiots defense. She probably died for $500 he needed to cover his crack fix.

By: chucknorristotalgym on March 8, 2008
at 9:41 pm

Well Reb those sound like words out of a guide to hate, and quite hostile. Given the hostility of your words, it would conclude that you are probably like that in your daily interactions with others. Knowing the statistical figures isn’t going to help you to stay alive, that’s a false pretense.

Next time you reference statistics to make assumptions about people of other races, you should read the fine print and the disclaimers. Since you wanted me to look at your link, how about you view mine for a lesson yourself.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/about/variables_affecting_crime.html

“Drink my kumbaya koolaid”, that’s disrespectful but refreshing. I bet my koolaid and my pleasant demeanor, and willingness to accept people of all races, will definitely get me far in life.

By: C on March 8, 2008
at 10:15 pm

Reb,
In addition you don’t need to be worried about people of a different race keeping you from “staying alive”. Since you want to quote statistics, the link has additional information if you scroll. It clearly states that whites 84% of the time kill other white people. Likewise, black people, 94% of the time kill other black people.
So I guess you should be afraid and cautious of the “white” people than the black people. Right?

By: C on March 8, 2008
at 10:24 pm

You all can cry percentages all you want. What bothers me is that whenever a crime is commited, it is reported with a basic description of the suspect but race is never mentioned anymore because our society has become so PC and afraid that someone might be offended. I for one don’t give a damn what color the suspect or culprit might be, I just want a straight answer so I can protect my family and my home. However, the news won’t disclose race or color in
a description. When pictures are available though, they are more often than not that of young African American males because they do commit a disproportionate amount of reported crime. The media also protects these criminals by saying that they either don’t deserve to be in prison or that their disadvantaged status is what resulted in a prison sentence. While it is important how these young men got themselves in prison, the main issue is they are in prison. I can sympathize with being disadvantaged, or not being privileged or going to better schools. These young men in prison though didn’t have to join gangs, deal drugs or commit violent acts. Thats a peer issue, but more than anything a personal choice. The problem more often than not is that these young men are growing up with no male role models. The biggest problem I see in the African American community today is the lack of a father in their homes. Too many mothers are being left with children that they can’t afford to raise or don’t have time to raise. If they are working, they work two and three jobs to support the family, so who’s watching the kids? It also becomes a vicious cycle in that 41% of the over 2 million men incarcerate are African American and you can’t raise your kids from a jail cell. I play the role of “Father” to my son because of love, but also because I helped bring him into this world and he deserves to have the best I can give him. I tell all young men I encounter, regardless of color that any PUNK can MAKE a baby, but it takes a MAN to RAISE one. I live by that axiom. The “baby’s daddy” culture has to end. Your “baby’s daddy” should be your husbands and fathers! Period! And if anyone doubts these words then you either don’t have children or don’t give a rat’s butt about them. However, concerning the murder of Eve Carson, the fact that everyone seems to miss is that a crime has still been committed and justice must be served regardless of color or social standing. The particularly heinous nature of the murder of this UNC undergrad makes apprehending the killer even more expedient. If he was an albino, I would want that killer’s head on a platter. Conversely, if the killer was African American, I would still want his head on a platter. Does that make me racist?? If I said I would rather he be hung from the highest tree still doesn’t make me anything more than someone who wants justice for this little girl’s family. It may make me medieval in my idea of punishment but it doesn’t make me anything other than simply someone who wants justice for this crime. And whoever the culprit is, he is deserving of nothing more than death.

By: Rob on March 9, 2008
at 3:02 am

There’s a clearer picture on the Raleigh TV station’s website (www.wral.com). If you click to make it bigger, and look at them in succession, what I think I see is a dark shirt (you can’t see the light seat, no arm rest, etc.). Also, if you look closely, I *think* you can almost make out the profile of her face and her hair near the back window. Maybe it’s my imagination. But the reports before she was identified said that she was wearing a navy blue t-shirt (they didn’t specify whether it was a long- or short-sleeved t-shirt).

By: unc-student on March 9, 2008
at 4:47 am

The fact is a white person is more likely to die at the hands of a black person than a black person to die at the hands of white person. Both, however are more likely to die at the hands of someone of their own race. All the statistics I’ve read regarding murder state this as being the case. Eve, please know that many good and honorable men are working to bring justice to your murderer. Justice will be done in your behalf Eve. Thank you for all the good you brought to the world. Rest in peace Eve.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 7:13 am

Wonder why “Tyrone’s” family/friends haven’t finked him out already?

By: john on March 9, 2008
at 7:45 am

Rob:

I gotta say that there are no answers to the cause of crime apart from the fact that when Adam transgressed sin came into the world. Conservatives can point to illegitimacy and race in this country, liberals can do the same with poverty, oppression, and the lack of government programs. But the truth is that there are places where these issues exist and there is little violent crime, and places where these issues exist and a lot of violent crime! Take for example primitive tribal cultures, often living right near each other in the same area of the same continent. Some of them are exceptionally violent, but others are very peaceful. (Regrettably what often happens is that the violent aggressive tribe ultimately exterminates, dominates, or drives off the peaceful culture, and that has happened in Europe, Asia, Latin America, North America, Africa, everywhere!)

Now dealing with our own social location, violent street crime is a problem that can be fairly associated with young black males, and to a lesser extent young Hispanic males. (There was a point, however, where the young street criminals were Italian, Irish, and yes Asian … police wagons are to this day called “paddy wagons” of the rice paddy references to the Chinese immigrants that those police wagons used to often carry.) The question is how best to deal with the situation?

I find the attitude of “Reb” (plus that of chucknorristotalgym and Richard) to be just as helpful as the denials of Lavonna and C. Denying the truth does no good, but neither does exploiting the truth for selfish interests. Dealing with the truth with the goal of resolving the problem is the only way, and the only true resolution is through Jesus Christ, who is neither a race – baiter or a liar.
The Three Step Salvation Plan

By: Job on March 9, 2008
at 9:51 am

Rob:

I gotta say that there are no answers to the cause of crime apart from the fact that when Adam transgressed sin came into the world. Conservatives can point to illegitimacy and race in this country, liberals can do the same with poverty, oppression, and the lack of government programs. But the truth is that there are places where these issues exist and there is little violent crime, and places where these issues exist and a lot of violent crime! Take for example primitive tribal cultures, often living right near each other in the same area of the same continent. Some of them are exceptionally violent, but others are very peaceful. (Regrettably what often happens is that the violent aggressive tribe ultimately exterminates, dominates, or drives off the peaceful culture, and that has happened in Europe, Asia, Latin America, North America, Africa, everywhere!)

Now dealing with our own social location, violent street crime is a problem that can be fairly associated with young black males, and to a lesser extent young Hispanic males. (There was a point, however, where the young street criminals were Italian, Irish, and yes Asian … police wagons are to this day called “paddy wagons” of the rice paddy references to the Chinese immigrants that those police wagons used to often carry.) The question is how best to deal with the situation?

I find the attitude of “Reb” (plus that of chucknorristotalgym and Richard) to be just as helpful as the denials of Lavonna and C. Denying the truth does no good, but neither does exploiting the truth for selfish interests. Dealing with the truth with the goal of resolving the problem is the only way, and the only true resolution is through Jesus Christ, who is neither a race – baiter or a liar.
The Three Step Salvation Plan

By: Job on March 9, 2008
at 9:52 am

i honestly think that race, gender, and age do not matter at this time. what matters is that we have lost an amazingly beautiful, intelligent, giving person. i didn’t know her at all but i live in north carolina and almost went to unc chapel hill. we need more people like eve carson in the world. and she will be sorely missed.

By: katy on March 9, 2008
at 10:18 am

No Katy! It DOES matter. In this day and age of a growing minority population where behavior, arrogance and lack of basic social/parenting skills are at an all-time low, race IS the factor. White people know they are prime targets for these vermin, as if not being a thug is a weakness. White women should be the most aware of this situation. I feel also for illegal women, whom perps feel will be too scared to report a crime. But either way, whites feel there is a social war being heaped upon us and we’re flat out sick of it. Thank God for my two best friends;Smith & Wesson.

By: Joe on March 9, 2008
at 11:21 am

Richard who ask me …” What planet do you live on? I live on Earth, that my friend is a dumb question.

Truthseeker who told me to Go get educated by Chris Rock
. Don’t tell me what to do and no I didn’t click on that link, have better things to do.

Job who said ‘I find the attitude of “Reb” (plus that of chucknorristotalgym and Richard) to be just as helpful as the denials of Lavonna and C. Denying the truth does no good, but neither does exploiting the truth for selfish interests. ‘ I wasn’t denying nothing. I made a statement and I have that right. If you want to bring Jesus in this I would think that you would know that it was Eve not Adam who brought the sin in this world and that Jeusus loves all of us, black, white, yellow or what ever color that we are and he would never be racist.

Joe, I am a white woman and I don’t feel a social war being heaped up me. I find that rasicts who feel the need to always smart off to blacks are part of the problem.. Ever think of treating people the way you want to be treated? I live in a County that has very few black people and by few I mean maybe 6 families but I work in a different county. I work with black people at a call center and every one of them that I am with everyday are educated and smart and funny and loving and no drugs. I think you should all stop being so racist.

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 11:45 am

It’s not about being racist Miss L; it’s about survival. I live in a very racially diverse community in which being white is in the lower third of race percentage. I don’t live in fear but of caution. My kids friends are a mix of ALL ethnicities. I treat them like my own. But the growing population of minority kids with one working parent and little education is frightening. Do you think Eve Carson provoked this clown into killing her as she probably begged for her life? Where was the mindset of this ruthless bastard? Where’s Rev Al & his demagogues on this one? As usual-nowhere. They love the revenge factor of it all. That, Lavonna, is the sad truth.

By: Joe on March 9, 2008
at 12:00 pm

Think maybe now we’re feeling what the Indians felt when we came over here and took over?

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 12:49 pm

I feel sorry for the family of this beautiful child. She nor anyone deserves this to be done. God bless her family.

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 12:50 pm

Lavonna, what kind of stupid remark is that about Indians? If you have so much sympathy for the Indians and their stolen land then why not prove it and leave the USA, you hypocrite. Did it ever occur to you Lavonne that right now youre sitting on your stupid butt right on Indian land? Feel free to show us how sorry you are for the Indians and leave the USA or youre just as guilty as the first men that took the land because you occupy it now. The Indians where I come from had casinos, were rich and all things paid for by the Federal Gov. How sad it must be for them. I hope they catch this worthless thug killer so we can put him on trial then hang him.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 1:13 pm

Lavonna, this isn’t the the land grabbing days of the wild west. Our civilization and social values are stratospheres away from the 1800s. There are NOT legions of white men attacking legions of blacks on any level in the year 2008 nor vice versa. In LA 1992 whites were; in Crown Heights 1991 whites were. But where have black citizens been besieged and brutally attacked en masse (ex:WTC 9/11) recently? From Latino gangsta perhaps but not from white citizens.

By: Joe on March 9, 2008
at 1:25 pm

Who else out there thinks that the media buried this story to protect Obama? I mean as soon as the ATM photo came out the image of the victim disappeared from ther major news sites and a few hours later the who story was put on the extreme back page or deleted in it’s entirety.

By: Mike on March 9, 2008
at 2:22 pm

Mike, maybe thats so, maybe not. I don’t know. what I do know is that those of us that live in NC will not let this story die. What will die is that thug ( or whoever is responsible) you see in the picture at that ATM machine. RIP Eve, justice is comming soon.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 2:30 pm

I feel so bad for her family and friends. She seems like she was one those rare individuals who really brought light to the world.

As far as the race debate, who knows what the answers are? I will tell you this, I was recently the victim of a crime in Dallas, and I got a look at the man. When the police showed up, the first question he asked was, “black or hispanic?” I was pretty sobered by his assumption that the crime was committed by someone other than a whiter person. I don’t know what the statistics are but it is pretty clear to me that, in Dallas anyway, the police themselves assume random crimes are most likely being committed by either blacks or hispanics.

By: Dave on March 9, 2008
at 2:33 pm

Blacks need to clean up their acts. Not all obviously…but many. The facts are the facts….a very HIGH percentage of black men in prison to the amount of blacks in the population. The figure is that 60% wind up in prison and they are 16% of the general population. Whoever breeds and then neglects the proper upbringing and care of these men are to blame….absentee fathers and ill equipped mothers who should not be reproducing!! Bottom line…black folks (again, not all but many) better wake up and evolve or they will continue to be the bottom feeders of society. I blame the ignorant fools who raised (or failed to) this knuckle dragging baboon of a kid for the murder of Eve Carson. Get it together black community…the rest of the world is tired of cleaning up your mess.

By: jenn on March 9, 2008
at 2:43 pm

Don’t know that anything really can be done…look at Africa, disproportionate amount of the rising crime in Britain is committed by Carribbean immigrants, Haiti, same all over the world. Clearly genetic factors are at play here.

By: Reb on March 9, 2008
at 2:55 pm

Tubby Where the hell do you get off calling me a hyprociate? I do have sympathy for them but why would I leave? I am not the one who did it. I made the remark of now mayber you all are feeling the way they did. Why don’t you just your bigh piehole up and stay off my back? You really have no idea of what you are talking about when you say the indians are rich.. That was a stupid remark. If you don’t like that why don’t you move?

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 3:18 pm

Reb, you are so unjust. I have met plenty of black people which intimidate me with their intelligence and kindness.

There are a lot of scientific studies that show that even intelligence ( which a lot of people, I bet you included, believe is determined genetically ) is in fact greatly influenced by the environment the person grows up in. Poverty is an unforgiving circle, you simply cannot escape it that easily. And if at the other end are people like you ( I hope someday you will change though) things are even more complicated…

By: R on March 9, 2008
at 3:27 pm

And by the way, I am sure Eve would agree with me.

By: R on March 9, 2008
at 3:28 pm

Lavonna, don’t get pissy with me because you made a rather dumb comment that lacks any sense at all. What youre implying in your comment is that the death of this young lady is somehow justified because of what the Indians went through. If you really feel that the Indians were cheated out of their land and were treated unfairly then do volunteer work for Indians or give to a charity or give your home to an Indian family. To sit on your sorry butt and make stupid and irrelevant comments about Indians just shows how lame you are. I don’t have any idea of what I talk about when I say the Indians where I come from are rich? Google Auga Caliente Band of Cahuilla and educate yourself. You can’t even read, I never said all Indians were rich, I said the ones where I come from are. Now back to the topic….I hope this catch this thug soon so we can put him on trial and then hang him.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 3:44 pm

R, I think Eve Carson would dissagree with you. At approx 5:30 am on Wednesday I think Eve Carson changed her mind as she was screaming and pleading for her innocent life. Stop making excusses for thugs and young people that act out in violence and destruction. I don’t care how you were raised or what color your skin is; all people know it is wrong to murder and harm innocent people. If they don’t know that it’s wrong to kill then it’s better for them and us to emiliminated them from our society ASAP. Enough is enough. No justice, no peace.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 3:53 pm

Tubby I can get pissy with you if I want.. You started this crap. No I did not imply that fricking Indians had anything to do with this,.. Are you so stupid that you didn’t read all the comments that led up to my remark? I was talking to someone else who made a comment of feeling like an minority. For you to sit on your fat (tubby) sorry ass and smart off to me when you had no idea of what I am talking about says alot about you “mr. stick my nose in it when no one is talking to me” You say I can’t read. I can read when people write something that isn’t stupid sounding like you.
Why don’t you leave me alone? Not one time was I talking to you. No, I won’t Google that because I am very educated on the Indians thank you.. My grandma was full blooded Cherokee and I do know about their lives. You don’t know me and for you to call me stupid and other names makes you sound like a shallow dumbass and stupid and stupid people piss me off.
Now back to the topic: I too hope they catch him and I hope he does get the death penalty.

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 3:54 pm

In America, we need strong outspoken black spiritual leaders to address the black community’s problems at the spiritual level. We need a modern day MLK to say, “Let’s get off our asses and make changes” as Bill Cosby recently came out and basically said. We need successful black men to lead and inspire these people. Reb is right though…there are so many factors contributing to the blacks’ problems. It would take a few generations to see any changes.

By: jenn on March 9, 2008
at 3:55 pm

Tubby you said
Tubby Says:
March 9, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Lavonna, what kind of stupid remark is that about Indians? If you have so much sympathy for the Indians and their stolen land then why not prove it and leave the USA, you hypocrite. Did it ever occur to you Lavonne that right now youre sitting on your stupid butt right on Indian land? Feel free to show us how sorry you are for the Indians and leave the USA or youre just as guilty as the first men that took the land because you occupy it now. The Indians where I come from had casinos, were rich and all things paid for by the Federal Gov. How sad it must be for them. I hope they catch this worthless thug killer so we can put him on trial then hang him.——————–
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IN this paragraph is where you are talking about the indians being rich.. that is where I got your idea of indians being rich.

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 3:57 pm

Listen to you all. A girl dies and this blog forum has turned into sides spewing diatribes and ’statistics’ to prove one’s point over another. Stop being bullheaded with your own stubborn viewpoints and get back to what is ultimately sad about this whole tragedy.

I don’t care that the perpetrator is black, white, or green. I was not privileged to know Eve, but my heart really ached when I heard about this story. I want this criminal to pay and pay dearly.

How about we all sit back and try and act like adults, instead of this constant state of one-upsmanship?

By: AJ on March 9, 2008
at 4:00 pm

AJ
You are right and it does bother me that she died. I do hope that the kller is caught but I also feel that people need to stop making out like only blacks committ the crimes..

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 4:03 pm

And let me also clarify — what is ultimately sad about this case is that it was a seemingly senseless crime, where a girl who seemed to have everything going for her lost her life for reasons unbeknownst to any of us besides the murderers.

We can not comprehend the reasoning behind this crime, and it is appalling to me that it happened in the first place.

By: AJ on March 9, 2008
at 4:03 pm

Lavonna, “The Indians where I come from had casinos and were rich…”, I never said ALL Indians you ass clown. Anyway, back to the topic, I hope it’s something we can all agree on; once this guy is found guilty his punishment should be swift and deadly. RIP Eve justice is comming soon.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 4:21 pm

Oh, BTW, they caught the filthy looser that killed the girl in Alabama too. Maybe him and the NC punk can share a cell for the afternoon and listen to music and decide among themselves which one will die first later that evening. We have the death penalty in this country, we should start using it more frequently and swiftly. Justice delayed is justice denied. Enough is enough.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 4:26 pm

Here are some more scum that prey on college students in the Raleigh/Durham area. The arrests of William Dozia Smith, 20, Stephen Lavance Oates Jr., 19, and two juveniles, both 14, may bring investigators a step closer to solving some of more than 70 robberies that have been committed since Jan. 1. At least four of the robberies involved Duke students and faculty. One of those arrested is being charged with the murder of a Duke student from India back in Jan. We just may run out of rope before we get a handle on all this thug culture. No justice, no peace, right?

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 5:08 pm

Glad they caught him.. he does deserve the death penalty and you calling me names is really showing me how shallow you are. ass clown.. good one.

By: Lavonna on March 9, 2008
at 5:11 pm

http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board/message?board.id=cityhall&thread.id=401629
I rest my case

By: Reb on March 9, 2008
at 5:55 pm

The Knoxville horror
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0507/0301_channon_christian.html.html
Isn’t this getting really tiresome? Crap like this would never have happened in the south 50 years ago. Maybe they knew something we didn’t.

By: Reb on March 9, 2008
at 6:04 pm

Someone refer to Steven Lavance Oates? Murder of Indian (from India) Phd. student
http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/2346604/?ref_id=2346603

By: Reb on March 9, 2008
at 6:06 pm

Reb, your Knoxville link didn’t work, but those of us who pay attention and are not blinded by the P.C. lies of the media are familiar with the Knoxville case and the brutal deaths of those two young people at the hand of the coward thug culture animals that killed them. People need to understand that these types of random brutal attacks did not start this week with the death of the two coeds but has been the trend in crime for decades and is getting worse. The thug gang mentality is not a harmless juvenile prank, it’s a serious and destructive force that ruins lives, causes death and will eventually take it’s toll on someone you love if nothing is done to stop it. Action by churches, parents or those that are role models for the thug youth need to step up and help change things. If that don’t work then swift and deadly punishment is our only alternative. Enough is enough. No justice, no peace.

By: Tubby on March 9, 2008
at 6:41 pm

Getting back to the case, several outlets are now reporting that others have noticed a second person in the car. In one article, they said it was a “very large” person in the back seat. I *still* think I can see Eve’s profile, if you look just above the driver’s-side headrest and to the right. I think I can see her blond-streaked hair. I guess that the police know whether or not that’s realistic. Maybe there Eve was in the backseat with someone?

I hope the people or person involved in this is/are caught and brought to justice.

By: unc-student on March 9, 2008
at 7:13 pm

This crime so much of a cliche in today’s society. These hood rats, the best name I can give em, need to be eradicated. The problem is when they are rousted by the police the bleeding hearts wanna cry racism and profiling. Profiling could have helped to stop alot of crimes, look at 9/11 as a massive example. This gangster mentality was not created by slavery as many wants us to be, just look at Africa as an example of their violence. They cannot get along on any continent unless they submit to the society they are in. There are many who have mixed in American society fine and well but some of them are also the ones who protect the gangsta lifestyle by asserting civil rights type stuff. Wake up and face the facts that these gantsa types recognize one reality and that is warfare. Well we should bring the battle to them.

By: Matt on March 9, 2008
at 7:53 pm

Well, this discussion saddens me deeply – the racist aspects of it. I don’t deny facts – stats are right but there is a story behind them. Putting all blacks in the same pot is just wrong.
This alienates people rather than doing any good.

The one, or ones that killed Eve are monsters and I don’t expect anybody to find justification or forgiveness for their deeds (not even me — although growing up most probably without a father figure, being marginalized all your life maybe has impact on who you are).

But please don’t jump to generalizations so quickly. Imagine
what impact this hate will have on a black kid.
Fury, I assume. I would be furious is somebody would imply that my kind is inherently more predisposed to murder than others.

I am terrified to think what Eve had gone through in the last
hours of her life, but I still think she would be sadden if she would see some of your intolerance.

By: R on March 9, 2008
at 7:59 pm

Ignorant, just plain ignorant!! (Tubby, Reb, John, Mike, & etc…)
This is absolutely ridiculous!! Tubby, you really seem to only have that of an elementary education, with a “Master Charlie” mentality. How dare you guys take this young, beautiful, and educated girl’s death and time of grieving for her family and produce a “Race War”. We all need to take time out and pray for The Carson Family, during their time of bereavement and also pray that there is justice for her murder. The same words of hatred that you have expressed in terms of race and statistics doesn’t make you much different from a cold blooded killer…. Anyone who can speak so harsh, in regards to another individual possess the same tendencies and behaviors of a criminal…. Now search for statistics on that fact.

By the way…. Since you guys are in the business of throwing stones and only seem to through stones at minorities, I challenge you to research your ancestors and reveal just how “white” you really are…?? I guarantee you will be surprised. One more thing…. Since you guys also have so much time on your hands and find it interesting to research statistics of crimes committed by minorities, please do us all a favor and provide the statistics for “parents who murder their offspring”….. After doing so, I’m sure the focus will revert back to the more important topic of discussion…”Eve Carson” Rest In Peace God’s Angel!

By: LowTolerance4Ignorance on March 9, 2008
at 8:42 pm

The fact is that if those of us were allowed to do our jobs stuff like this could be prevented or greatly reduced. Instead, when we try to do our jobs our efforts are called racist profiling. maybe we know a little better than those who ridicule us about the real deal on the streets and where the crime is. Plus the liberal court system as Orange county has is also a culprit in these crimes runnign rampant. Carl Fox is as good as a judge as he was a DA. At least as a judge he is closer to the truth that trying to look as if he is trying to proecute crime.

By: Matt on March 9, 2008
at 8:54 pm

Lavonna:

The Bible makes it clear that sin and death came into the world through Adam and redemption of mankind by way of Jesus Christ came through the seed of Eve. Eve and Adam did the same act, but only Adam was charged as being the sinner because he was created first and He was the one that received the commandment directly from God. Had Eve been called the sinner, God would not have used her seed to redeem mankind. Then whom would God have used? Not Adam’s! Please go read Genesis 3 and 1 Timothy 2 again.

Reb and all other racists:

Look don’t take being called a racist personally because racism is just another sin like lying, gossiping, adultery, Internet porn, etc. But what is worse than the racism is the ignorance of history and current events. First of all, not all of Africa is currently wracked by violent conflict. Take Ghana for instance, or Ethiopia.

Second, parts of EUROPE fight all the time. Now of course I detest the evil of the Soviet Union (how many people did Stalin kill? 20 million?) but it was the Soviet Union that FINALLY put an end to the many centuries of internecine tribal warfare in eastern Europe, and as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed the Slavs started killing each other again. They’d probably still be killing each other now if it wasn’t for NATO. And don’t think that western Europe’s history is any better then eastern Europe or anywhere else. Those folks fought two world wars that killed tens of millions of people less than 100 years ago and fought who knows how many tribal wars beforehand, and now you want to pretend like you are all civilized, as if original sin somehow skipped you guys over too? Please.

Further, you guys are thoroughly ignorant of even recent American history. The violent crime rate and the incarceration rates for black males in the 1950s was nowhere near what it is now. It started to rise in the 1960s, skyrocketed in the 1970s, and really went through the roof in the 1980s. What happened? You tell me. I say Great Society programs, illegitimacy, evolution in public schools, and violent movies and video games. In other words … SIN!

Sin is the problem, and Jesus Christ is the answer. Thank you. The Three Step Salvation Plan

By: Job on March 9, 2008
at 10:48 pm

Job..please don’t cite and quote some ancient desert tribe’s creation myth to us! Original sin???? what a load of crap. And where was Jesus Christ when these poor girls were no doubt begging for their lives. Same place as always..nowhere.

By: Reb on March 10, 2008
at 5:53 am

Wow, you people are forgetting about the major issue here. Black or white an innocent LIFE was taken. Arguing over the color of someone’s skin isn’t going to resolve anything! Cultural differences are everywhere, many unethical and wrong; but essentially immoral behavior is all over the world and committed by everyone. It certainly is unfortunate. This is an incredibly sad case so I feel like “typical” or atypical should be left out as a personal opinion, and without so much offense. If you’re going to focus on the categories of human race, keep in mind the cultural aspects, educational differences, geographical regions and overpopulation of our country. Those are the problems that depict specific crimes…Skin color is not!

By: MAR on March 10, 2008
at 6:16 am

In a couple of years these 2 punks will be used as part of new reports that say that the reason so many blacks are locked up in prison or given the death penalty is because of white racism. Sorry, this case had nothing to do with white racism.

This is an interesting story. I have 2 points. The first is that there should be separate laws for young black men between 13 and 29 and the rest of society. If a geeky white teenager and a geeky Hindu kid get into a fight they should get after school detention. But, if 2 black teenager gets into a fight they should be sent to prison for 5 years. If they get in another fight or commit a violent crime they should go to prison for life. We need to really throw the book hard at these punks. Special programs and trying to help them and all that other stuff doesn’t work. Unfortunately, because we have to appease the liberals and ACLU the lowest common denominator values of black males cause those all young kids (even geeky white kids and geeky Hindus) to be treated the same. Now, they have to go to jail to for a littly school yard spat.

The other point is that everytime you see a black guy who looks like a gangster on TV he is portrayed as really a very nice puppy dog underneath. We are setting up young girls to believe this myth. And it causes them to let their guards down with black guys like this. Once, the brainwashing of 20 years of TV wears off it’s too late. It’s time TV started portraying young black males as they really are: The vast majority of them hate white people and never pass up a chance to commit a crime. It’s about time we threw a little sunlight on how these black males are destroying the U.S. and how we are sinking billions of dollars into Law Enforcement, care of victims, remedial education, unemployment, incarcerations, public defenders, etc. Maybe if we had thrown these scum in prison earlier then Eve Carson and Lauren Burk would still be here today.

By: Jim on March 10, 2008
at 7:17 am

They are probably already dead. I bet the Durham gang wants to take the heat off. So, I would guess that they capped the guys.

By: chucknorristotalgym on March 10, 2008
at 7:38 am

If a geeky white teenager and a geeky Hindu kid get into a fight they should get after school detention. But, if 2 black teenager gets into a fight they should be sent to prison for 5 years. If they get in another fight or commit a violent crime they should go to prison for life. We need to really throw the book hard at these punks.
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That has to be the most ignorant thing that I have ever read.. What are you smoking or shooting up?

By: Lavonna on March 10, 2008
at 7:39 am

I was raised to believe all people were equal, after my experience in the military and working in a hospital with 90 percent of blacks I have to say its not true, I tried to love and reaqson with myself but have come to the conclusion after being robbed in downtown Atlanta on a buisness trip that blacks are extremely violent , agressive, vile, genectically inferior and need to be segregated. It all started in LA when they opened up are magnet school to busing, and throught the years their bx has been the same up to the point of getting robbed, sadly their is no future for this race.

By: billy on March 10, 2008
at 8:08 am

“If a geeky white teenager and a geeky Hindu kid get into a fight they should get after school detention. But, if 2 black teenager gets into a fight they should be sent to prison for 5 years. If they get in another fight or commit a violent crime they should go to prison for life. We need to really throw the book hard at these punks.”

This isn’t ignorant. Ask any cop why they have to lock up and put in juvenile hall every kid who gets into a fight these days. They say “Because they might have a gun or a knife.” But, that’s what black kids do because their cultural values are lower than ours. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t base all our laws on the lowest common denominator. The laws should be different to reflect reality.

The only other solution than this is that blacks will actually have a change of attitude and quit committing so many crimes. But that will never happen. Personally, I think we should consider ending Brown versus Board of Education too because it’s having a negative effect on students actually trying to study and get their work done. Instead, 1 out of every 10 kids in the class (i.e. the black kid) needs a baby sitter. It would be better if blacks just behaved like the rest of society (Hindus, Chinese, whites, etc.) but they don’t.

By: Jim on March 10, 2008
at 8:57 am

You have to admit in the African culture it’s a bag of honor to sleep with as many women as possible and to have as many children as possible. They carried the custom over here. As a result, black mothers are doing the best they can- working multiple jobs try to support the family while the father has skipped out on them. By trying to do the support the family, the children have no supervision because the mother can’t afford childcare. It’s like the joke- what is the difference between a black father and a sofa. The sofa can support the family.

I think that is where you start to have the breakdown. But, it doesn’t relieve the mother from responsibility of their children’s actions. Stop having more children than you can afford and have sex anytime a male wants it. I think breaking that cycle would go along way: http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/wlm/poor/

By: chucknorristotalgym on March 10, 2008
at 9:28 am

Some of you are so ignorant its not even funny. First of all, you all do a disservice to Eve by spewing hatred when by all accounts she stood for tolerance and acceptance. Second, blaming this on black people is in itself racist. All black people are not the same. What you see with the killer here is a subhuman, degenerate who doesn’t deserve to breathe anymore. That said, by his dress and demeanor he is clearly a thug. He is most likely from the lowest socioeconomic class in America. This is an issue of class and culture not race. To think otherwise is pure ignorance. And while I’m on the issue, I firmly believe that black america needs to get its act together but lets not forget that it was white america which sowed these seeds. Slavery destroyed the black family in this country and it doesn’t take a degree in sociology to see that we are seeing the repercussions of this still today. White people will never know what it is to be a minority in this country. And for goodness sake, why do you all keep bringing up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, what do they have to do with this. Pure ignorance.

By: BF on March 10, 2008
at 9:34 am

Slavery did not destroy the family. Most slave families were closer because of slavery, whether actualy kin or not. It all started in the 50’s and 60’s when they used violence as a tool and since it worked then why not use it for monetary gain. Slavery is almost 150 years gone. Quit blaming slavery and own up to the fact that these young black males are animals and we give them more rights than animals who dont know right from wrong. And its amazing that some say the guy is a thug because he is dressed that way. Also dont jump to conclusions, he is probably from a family who tried to raise him properly, it happens alot more than you think. quit with the poor black males. If I see someone like that I will shoot to kill instead of be a victim.

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 9:47 am

Matt just how do you know that. How do you know that families were closer. Nobody is blaming slavery but you are ignorant of you don’t think that it still impacts society today. I hate these thugs just like you do but I get angry when I get lumped into the same category. I have a four year degree, come from a good family, and have a good job. Don’t put me in the same category is the punks who killed Eve.

By: BF on March 10, 2008
at 9:54 am

“Second, blaming this on black people is in itself racist. All black people are not the same. What you see with the killer here is a subhuman, degenerate who doesn’t deserve to breathe anymore. That said, by his dress and demeanor he is clearly a thug. ”

White kids are brainwashed by TV and the media to think every black thug is just a wonderful person underneath. I know because I’m one of them. I once stopped to ask a bunch of thugs when I accidentally drove into an inner city for directions. I got out of my car and they were like 20 feet away and I said “Excuse me sir do you know where the main road is?” Once I realized “Wow, I’m in the middle of a back alley that looks like a third world country” and no one is around and it’s 2 A.M. and 3 black thugs are charging me I had just enough time to haul my ass out of there. I let my guard down for one moment and it was almost enough to get me killed. But, that’s what the braniwashing of white kids by schools, TV, and the media does. If I had seen years of TV that showed the reality of these types I would have saw three black thugs and been like “Oh no, I gotta get out of here.” But, I let my guard down and nearly got killed. Unfortunately, if it looks like a thug, it talks like a thug, then it probably is a thug.

As for slavery, get over it already. We bombed the you know what out of the Vietnamese and they come here and start up businesses (without any help or affirmative action) and are already doing better than most blacks.

Like I said, the laws should be different for black males between 13 and 29. A white kid, Chinese Kid, or Hindu kid who gets into a little fight in High School should get after school detention and you’ll find they’ll be best friends the next day. But, a black kid should immediately be thrown in prison. We need to throw them into prison for 5 years after their first violent offense and for life after their second violence offense. The black community will never right itself and these cases will keep on happening over and over and over again until we take very aggressive action against the source. Or we can just keep reading about cases like this and shake our heads and say “aw that’s too bad but you can’t blame it on race (even though black males are commiting crimes at exponential rates compared to other races)”.

By: Jim on March 10, 2008
at 10:48 am

The murders are sad and very unfortunate. But what is even sadder is the ignorant people that is making this a color issue. Blame it on the devil and he uses white, blacks, hispanic, asian it doesn’t matter. This is a violent evil crime committed by someone who allowed the enemy of their soul to use them to kill another person. All black men are not violent and all white me are not violent! Lets stop making racist statements and come together and pray for the families and our nation as a hold! It is time to pray! Let us bind together and pray for our country our nation and our children!

By: Kimberly on March 10, 2008
at 11:35 am

Well said Kimberly!!!!

By: Lavonna on March 10, 2008
at 12:11 pm

It has to be her in the back…..He had to get her pin number for the ATM machine didn’t he? He probably said gimmie your number or I will kill you. She gave it to him and he killed her anyway.

By: jp on March 10, 2008
at 1:18 pm

Lowtolerence4ignorance, name one thing I have said in regards to this Eve Carson murder that is racist. I have only pointed out facts and have not used hateful or cruel language to express myself. I, like most others here ultimately don’t see this crime as a race issue either. To me it’s a class/cultural issue. I don’t hate black people or blame them for all the ills of our society, I never have felt that way. What I do blame and what I do find to be the cause of most of these random violent crimes is an urban gang culture that is becomming more and more widespread in this country. This gang mentality can influence any person of any color, but it does seem to have a more deep rooted and violent aspect to it in the black community. If you find these comments racist, I don’t care. I have eyes and I know what I see and read. Most thinking American would agree with me while the others that have been cowed by the PC MSM would do as you do and hide your head in the sand cry racism and then site stats that seek to put white people on the defensive (parents that murder offspring), all the while acting holier than thou. Your game is old and people are tired of it. I pray to God they find the killers of
Eve Carson and if found guilty kill them.

By: Tubby on March 10, 2008
at 1:50 pm

I meant look to the *left* of the armrest and just above it (I said “right” earlier). There’s an area that’s lighter than the others — that’s where I thought I might see her face in profile (though I’ve just read that the police say that they do not think she was in the car and they have information about when the photos were taken).

In the new photos released tonight, I’m surprised to see that the suspect is wearing something different from what he was wearing in the ATM photos. I wonder when he had time to change his clothes, unless it *is* the person who was in the backseat and they just happen to have similar hair/builds.

I, too, am shocked and saddened not only by this crime, but also by the ignorance and racism I’ve seen in the comments here and elsewhere. If nothing else, it’s a useless distraction from the important thing — putting this person behind bars.

By: unc-student on March 10, 2008
at 5:26 pm

Im not BF, obviously you got over slavery. Of course you never have even delt with slavery. We whites deal with it all the time in the form of these so called guilty whites or think they can buy their way out of their guilt. I have done nothing to promote slavery and neith did my working class family’s roots. My family worked along side those who were enslaved and left slavery. And yes, slavery did bring families closer because they had something to bond against. look at the all the negroe spirituals that wer written during those days. They actually teamed together for a common cause. Far cry from today when they have their freedom but ruin it by commiting crimes. If you have gotten your degree thats fine but what do you want , a medal? Just like Chris Rock said, you dont get praised for doing things you are supposed to do anyway.

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 6:06 pm

It is an issue of race. These hoodrats see downing a white person as a badge of honor. They see getting white girls as a sign of manhood. They target whites because they know many whites are scared of them and they can intimidate them. Black folks would be less intimidated because they are more familiar with them. This is an issue of class but also of race. No one wants to admit it just like in the Duke lacrosse case, it was about race too. The Durham DA wanted to woo the black vote by punishing the evil, rich white demons from Duke. Anyone want to say I’m wrong on that one???

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 6:15 pm

Matt, nobody asked for a medal. How in the world did you get that from what I posted? Did you really mean to say that “negro spirituals” were evidence of how the black family thrived after slaver? Come on now. My whole point was that you cannot make generalizations about an entire race of people. I still can’t believe that someone actually had the audacity to say that because I’m black, when I was in high school(in the 90’s) and nearly got into a fight with a white guy for calling me the N word, that I should have automatically been sent to prison for five years. I really hope and pray that the rest of America doesn’t feel that way. Instead of focusing on hate and bigotry, we should all be focused on Eve and her memory. I was on Franklin St. watching the game on Saturday and during the moment of silence before the game everyone in the bar, black and white, stood silent and paid their respects. Thats what this should be about, not all of this other stuff.

By: BF on March 10, 2008
at 7:08 pm

The reality is this – UNC is tainted goods and even the Morehead recruitment may suffer. If it looks like gang members have infiltrated the area and your kids are not safe then people will think twice about letting their kids go this university even if it is with a Morehead Scholarship. No parent wants to run what if scenarios – if my kid had only gone to the other universities they had been accepted to – brutal reality. Already seeing questions on city-data.com

By: keepin-it-real on March 10, 2008
at 7:25 pm

What I am saying about slave times is that black families, whether blood or not were closer and more united. today they are fractionlized by useless males impregnating their own race and other races then moving on leaving even more irresponsible children either spurting out more babies or jacking their latest victim. The college class may be larger by numbers but not by percentage. It perpetuates this continued acceptance of violence. If you educate yourself do all of us a favor and become a leader for your youth and maybe one day this can be a thing of the past. Rid your race of the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons who want to blame whites and not accept things as their own shortcomings. Be a true leader not a divider.

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 7:27 pm

Keepin it, it has been growing for a while now. Thats how Apple Chill got cancelled, because these sawed off gansters always want to ruin a good social event. They didnt even belong at that event yet they want to come and fight themselves and cause mayhem. I went to UNC back in the early 90’s and when we celebrated the 93 championship things were cool for 3 hours in the cold mist but when NCCU and A&T gangsters showed up they wanted to fight each other just as they do at their own ballgames.

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 7:30 pm

BF
“Instead of focusing on hate and bigotry, we should all be focused on Eve and her memory.”

If that’s the only thing you focus on or take away from this then it will happen over and over and over again.

BF
“My whole point was that you cannot make generalizations about an entire race of people.”

Black males make up 7% of the population of the U.S. and they make up more than 50% of all prisoners. If you want to bury your head in the sand by all means do so but don’t ask the rest of us to.

Also, what about the girl who doesn’t come from a well-off white family but rather comes from a poor dysfunctional fwhite amily in Kentucky and runs away from home at 15 to the Big City. She’s been brainwashed her whole life by TV, liberal school teachers, and the media that it’s racist to be afraid of black males that look like thugs. She’s been brainwashed by TV to think that these guys are the sweetest people on earth. So, she goes to the Big City and the next thing you know some black pimp has her hooked on drugs and selling her body on the street. But you don’t care about this little whit 15 year old girl who’s being forced to sell her body in the middle of the night. That’s not cool to talk about. It’s much cooler to just simply follow the PC crowd. You are probably more concerned that the killer of Eve Carson gets a fair trial and a good lawyer than the victims of these thugs whether it’s because they ran away from bad homes or ran away from the their 15th foster home. It’s not cool too like the downtrodden if their skin is too white. You don’t get PC points for that. BTW, I made up the story about the 15 year old girl but I have no doubt that it’s typical.

By: Jim on March 10, 2008
at 7:34 pm

Another problem is that certain black folks are making a way for themselves but leave the others behind. They distance themselves from the ones of their race that embarass them. Yes that is common across races but it seems its more damaging when black folks do it. It used to be the older black folks were the ones of reason but now the older black folks are the revolutionaries of the 60’s and 70’s so they do not see violence as much of a problem.

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 7:40 pm

Jim
“Black males make up 7% of the population of the U.S. and they make up more than 50% of all prisoners. If you want to bury your head in the sand by all means do so but don’t ask the rest of us to. ”

If you take out socioeconomic status then that statistic becomes much less relevant. Poverty and crime go hand in hand. That is just a fact of life. Nobody is making excuses for the scumbag that did this. He should hang for this. He is not a black person, he is an animal. That being said, if you all truthfully in your heart believe that all black males are deviant by nature and need to be locked up forever then nothing I can say on this board can change your mind. Its sad but I guess thats life.

By: BF on March 10, 2008
at 7:51 pm

What if she was black and he was white? Would you be saying he wasn’t white? I doubt it. This would be a white cracker victimizing a black female, IE Duke lacrosse. The problem is young black males murder each other with extreme frequency and when they decide to rob white folks they usually want to use violence.

By: Matt on March 10, 2008
at 7:54 pm

So what you’re saying Matt – the gang violence has been brewing for sometime. To me that just makes my case about UNC being tainted goods even stronger. All this time , I am hearing about the Duke lacrosse players in the media who committed no crimes and nothing about this gang problem until a high profile student is murdered. Great – the consequences of political correctness.

By: keepin-it-real on March 10, 2008
at 8:30 pm

Ok I am SO over all these African American thugs killing beautiful white, smart, educated girls. Get these homies off the street and save our innocent angels

By: Jokor on March 10, 2008
at 9:35 pm

The Houston Astros hat that Eve Carson’s killer was wearing does have a gang affiliation. The “H” logo pays homage to Larry Hoover who was in various incarnations of the Black Gangster Disciples, which he founded. Throughout the 60’s Hoover created alliances and “nations” of gangs in the Chicago area. Lemaricus Davidson, the lead “accused” black slayer of Channon Christian and Chris Newsome was also a BGD– and we know what THAT means–the murder of Eve Carson could not POSSIBLY have been racially motivated–lol.

VIDEO ABOUT Eve Carson-
http://podblanc.com/?q=node/14742

VIDEO about her white-ribboned “memorial”-
http://podblanc.com/?q=node/14842

VIDEO-BLACK GANG DISCIPLES-
http://podblanc.com/index.php?q=node/1769

MORE EVE CARSON VIDEOS-
http://podblanc.com/index.php?q=node/14654

By: Craig Cobb on March 11, 2008
at 2:12 am

Reb, before you start spouting stats on murder rates for blacks vs. whites, maybe you should look at what percentage of white people are murdered by blacks vs. whites? The higher murder rates for blacks are inflated by black on black gang violence. For the type of crime that occurred in Chapel Hill, there is not a higher likelihood that it was a black person vs. a white person, in fact these types of crimes are statistically most often committed by someone the victim knew (about 67%+ of the time that is the case). So stop manipulating stats to support your racist agenda.

By: Miguel on March 11, 2008
at 3:49 am

Amazing number of people here with angry racist beliefs just looking for any possible excuse to support their agenda….sad to see you try to manipulate a young girl’s death to support your negative view on life. Rather than focusing on whether or not the killer was african american, maybe we should focus on restricting the availability of hand guns in america and making it a crime to have one unless you are in law enforcement? Then we might have statistically lower murder rates like other comparable countries that have taken these steps? Gee, how do all of you spouting racist agendas like hearing me use this incident to politicize the gun control issue?

By: Miguel on March 11, 2008
at 3:52 am

keepin-it-real: There is plenty of crime in Cambridge, MA and New Haven, CT, and that doesn’t stop anyone from going to Harvard or Yale, so I doubt UNC or the Morehead program are going to have trouble recruiting talented students.

By: unc-student on March 11, 2008
at 4:33 am

unc-student – UNC is NOT Harvard and Yale. I am specifically addressing the issue of gang related crime and if this heinous murder is the result of such crime. I am not naive – I know crime exists at those other universities but what scares people is the sense of a move-in by gangs. People will do a cost-benefit analysis for their talented kids when it comes to UNC. Matt has said that this is a growing problem. Also the Duke scandal does not help the image of the area. It looks like political correctness runs the police departments there.

By: keepin-it-real on March 11, 2008
at 6:16 am

I’ll ask it again. There are clear pictures of this low life cretin that have been published NATIONWIDE. WHY hasn’t the black community stepped forward and given this scum up? Why haven’t Sharpton and Jackson voiced their outrage over this? Where is the outrage from the black community?

By: john on March 11, 2008
at 7:05 am

The reason we are focusing on black culture in my case is to try to get to the root of the problem so to figure-out why there was such a blatant disrespect for human life in the first place. Everyone is praying for the family, but more importantly is trying to figure-out how to prevent it in the future.

The reason I mention- Where is Rev. William Barber, president of the NC chapter of the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and the Rev. Jesse Jackson? Is that plenty of white leaders jumped on board on the Duke Lacrosse Case when you seem reasonable to believe that Nifong had evidence implicating the lacrosse players. And these leaders should have given what they had to go on to prevent a similar situation in the future.

You should expect the same to happen with the Black leadership. Where is their outrage? This should be a sign that they need to address a cultural issue. I doubt if you hear from them.

Reverse discrimination is a cop-out. Slavery was 150 years ago. If it, so bad then return to the mother land. I doubt you would go. There is genocide there as well.

By: chucknorristotalgym on March 11, 2008
at 7:07 am

Great blog! Here is another website I like to frequent as well which touches on this subject.

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

By: Carol on March 11, 2008
at 7:41 am

After the news of the murder of Eve Carson I have researched and learned of increasing gang violence in the Triangle area.

For instance, from a news report, we have this: in Sept., 2007, at Visions Night Club located at 136 E. Rosemary Street, Chapel Hill, multiple shots were reportedly fired from a handgun by an unidentified black male suspect after a fight occurred inside. Six victims were treated for non-life threatening gunshot wounds at area hospitals. Some of the victims identified have known gang affiliations and most of them were from Durham.

And, from a Chapel Hill town council candidate: “Both citizens and the media report that problems – including violent behavior – had been escalating at Visions (and spilling over into the nearby neighborhoods). The pattern was established but the Town failed to act.”

Police say they found Ms. Carson’s cell phone near a shopping center on the “main road between Chapel Hill and Durham.” Bet your bottom dollar, the murderering thugs hail from a Durham gang.

In addition to the situation in Chapel Hill, I’ve learned about multiple robberies by gunpoint of Duke University students. Same thing with students at NC State.

This situation is totally unacceptable. And this has nothing to do with skin color. A thug is a thug, period – and they come in all colors. But, surely no one can deny the typical makeup of a gang member. And if it takes racial profiling to get a grip on violent gang behavior, so be it.

As far as outlawing hand guns, good luck enforcing that law on the likes of the cretin(s) that killed Ms. Carson…or the thugs that rob students by gunpoint…or the POS that killed the Auburn University student? Since when does any law stop a criminal?

By: sw on March 11, 2008
at 7:51 am

Anyone that knows the thug in the picture probably can’t rat on him and collect the $25,000 reward because he’s a fellow thug with an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

By: sw on March 11, 2008
at 8:01 am

Code Word for ‘Black-On-White-Crime’: “RANDOM”

http://newyorkwhitepride.blogspot.com/2008/03/code-word-for-black-on-white-crime.html

By: Johnny Doh on March 11, 2008
at 8:29 am

I’ve noticed people coming to my blog from the link above. Thank you for doing so.

Everybody needs to pay close attention to all of this, since it can very well happen to you or a loved one. Simply put, black crime is out of control in the US and whites are falling victim to it, whether or not that fact is ignored by you for your political beliefs.

Whites are paying an exorbitant fee for the politics of Multiculture and Diversity and don’t get the true picture from the US media since they know well that whites will reevaluate the whole mess should they know the hidden facts.

Come by my blog. I’ve many posts with facts, figures and links that will give you an entire different view of this matter and much more.

White people in the US need to wake up and smell the coffee.

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 8:57 am

I’m sorry, but when was the person in the picture, convicted of the crime, or is the fact that he’s black make him guilty of this crime. I don’t understand why we’re all on this black vs. white thing – we should all be sending our sympathies and condolences to the Carson family. A beautiful person was stolen from them and all we can think to do is wage a race war about it! Despicable!!!

By: Glow on March 11, 2008
at 9:58 am

I’m sorry, but when was the person in the picture, convicted of the crime, or is the fact that he’s black make him guilty of this crime. I don’t understand why we’re all on this black vs. white thing – we should all be sending our sympathies and condolences to the Carson family. A beautiful person was stolen from them and all we can think to do is wage a race war about it! Despicable!!!

He’s driving her car, used her ATM card twice (a second suirvelance shot is now out and how many whites get popped for car-jacking, huh?

Here goes another liberal whitey wanting us all to be so loving and non-racist, and I’m sure she’d have no problem going into these kinds of places by herself.

I’m tired of these self-Hating white sops who call other whites despicable and just can’t bring themselves to face facts anymore. Your despicable!

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 10:08 am

So do you really believe that if Tyrone and his buddy would have popped a sister for $500 ??? I think they have no regard for human life, white girls especially.

By: lynn on March 11, 2008
at 10:35 am

“Glow Says:
I’m sorry, but when was the person in the picture, convicted of the crime, or is the fact that he’s black make him guilty of this crime.”

Quite clearly, this poor fellow is an innocent victim of circumstances – who just happened to have a vehicle identical to Carson’s and who just happened to find her ATM card lying on the ground – tossed there by the real murderer(s) no doubt – and was trying to return the card to the rightful owner by inserting it in multiple ATM machines. Let’s merely send our sympathies to the Carson family on their horrific loss and sit on our collective hands with our heads up our butts, ignoring crime statistics because it’s politically incorrect, and wait until the next victim gets popped so we can then send our sympathies to yet another suffering family…and on and on and on.

By: sw on March 11, 2008
at 10:41 am

It’s YOU’RE despicable not YOUR, you uneducated buffoon.

By: gup on March 11, 2008
at 10:51 am

I have never been on your page incogman and I never will.. Seen enough racism here to last me a lifetime.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 10:54 am

To incogman and sw:

Please, don’t even try to intimidate me – it won’t work, and the fact that this person was in a car similar to hers (or even if this was Ms. Carson’s car) does NOT mean this person is guilty of the crime!!!!!!

I am not suggesting that if this person is guilty he should get away with it – not by far! What I’m saying is this person has not been caught, but he seems to have been convicted in these postings, which goes against everything I’ve been taught.

One other thing, I didn’t call you or anyone else visiting this site despicable. My comment was, “A beautiful person was stolen from them and all we can think to do is wage a race war about it! Despicable!!!”
Perhaps you’re so intent on promoting this race war you can’t take the time to read and comprehend!!!!!

By: Glow on March 11, 2008
at 11:11 am

To everyone that is making this an issue of race and focusing on the murderers and suspects involved: you should be ashamed. Regardless of whether or not the supects are black, white, male, female, rich, poor, educated, or not, we can’t lose sight of the fact that crime, no matter where you live or go to school, no matter how much money you make or how active you are in the community, no matter how much selfless work you do to help others, can touch you in profound ways. It is so sad to see such a young and beautiful woman taken from us in such an awful way but the focus of all of this needs to be on remembering what a terrific person Eve was. I don’t believe for a second that she or her family would want the public to turn her death into a race war. Have we lost sight of the real outrage, that she was killed for no apparent reason? Have we stopped thinking about how scared she must have been in the last moments of her life? Are we ignoring the sadness she felt in knowing she would never see her family again? Instead, let’s learn from what a truly gracious, intelligent, outstanding woman she was in hopes that we may become more like her. I’m not on this site to argue with those of you that feel that this is an issue of race or “innocent until proven guilty.” To be quite honest, I’m sure most of us assume the suspect is guilty because of what the media feeds to us. I’m visiting this site in hopes to find out more about Eve and to extend my thoughts and prayers to her family, her friends, her classmates, and her community. She is in a better place now and she will never be scared again.

By: Danielle D. on March 11, 2008
at 12:15 pm

gup:

It’s YOU’RE despicable not YOUR, you uneducated buffoon.

Oh, like “you’re” always like little miss perfect, now in making comments. I have plenty of education, whether you believe me or not. You just can’t have any white person against your liberal viewpoint so you lamely try to paint me as a hick. Surprised you didn’t say I lived in a trailor.

Glow:

Please, don’t even try to intimidate me – it won’t work, and the fact that this person was in a car similar to hers (or even if this was Ms. Carson’s car) does NOT mean this person is guilty of the crime!!!!!!

Oh bull. I guess that also explains the ATM, right? If they showed you a videotape of the crime, you’d turn your brainwashed head and still cling to the bursting bubble of your Multicult world.

Everybody!

If blacks were so oppressed and poor to cause crime, then why do they do the same when they are rich like NFL players and rap stars? Why do Michael Vicks treat dogs so callously?

Maybe one day you’ll see the answer in the eyes of one — right in front of you. Then you’ll know exactly what I’m saying!

INCOG MAN http://incogman.wordpress.com/

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 12:39 pm

Incogman.. go to your own blog and stay out of our world!

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 12:43 pm

I wish everyone would just stop with the racist crap and focus on the beautiful child (and others) who lost their lives. Take time to thank God for your life and take care of your kids and family.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 12:45 pm

People a very promising life was tragically taken that is all that should matter. My prayers go out to her family, friends and all whom lives she touched while on this earth. People we are all in this together, we all bleed, we all cry, we all smell if we dont bath and we all are going to die. You think the taliban cares about our skin tone? What we need to do is focus all of this negative energy and get our judicial sytem and it’s process changed. We will all watch this punk get caught, plea bargain and spend the rest of his life in jail. While us hard working tax payers get to pay for his pathetic existance. Our country needs to stop having pitty on the guilty and fry these fuckers. Why wait 20 years to execute a person. Once found guilty we should march their ass to the electric chair with no hesitation. This may be harsh but in 5 years I bet the US overall crime rate would drop drastically. Then these lost souls would have no choice but to get a job and support the economy. They would think twice about engaging in illegal activity because they know once they get caught they will die within 30 days. Stop the bitterness and the hate. If all balck males are killers are all married white men going to eventually kill thier wives? I’m an educated black male that is a contributing member to society and my community. I hate that these worthless thugs help perpetuate the worldwide sterotype that exists about black men, in return making my everday life a little more difficult. Spread love not hate

By: Michael on March 11, 2008
at 12:48 pm

Lavonna:

Incogman.. go to your own blog and stay out of our world!

Your world? That’s so rich. Yeah, it’s your world, alright!

This world has been created by brainwashed liberals and will only get worse, much worse. The direction is clear to anyone who will look past their own delusions and fantasies.

This country will soon end up as a third-world hell hole for your children to inherit. They’ll spit on your memory for being so spineless and delusional — in giving this country away to parasites and scum.

You can’t face reality so you attack the messenger. OK, fine. You come by my blog and read a few things and we’ll call it even.

My only concern is to warn my fellow whites on the problems and what’s in store. I’m not against any who have a different skin color, contrary to what you think. I’m just telling it like it is!

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 12:52 pm

Michael….bravo. Well said. Agree 100%.

By: sw on March 11, 2008
at 12:57 pm

Here’s some search terms being used on the Internet looking for info on this slaying:

eve carson asked for it
eve carson bitch
eve carson suspect bitch

So, do you think that white people are doing this kind of search? On these particular strings? Think about it, now!

You’ll have blacks actually accusing this girl of being a white “ho” looking for it and that she deserved what she got. You think I exagerate? They did the same thing over that girl in Knoxville, Channon Christian, who was tortured, bleached poured down her throat to elimanate seman and, along with her boyfriend, slaughtered last year. And even little 12 year old Emily Haddock in NC was talked about like so by blacks commenters in the same way. Read this for a truly heartbreaking story:

http://incogman.wordpress.com/2007/11/04/absolutely-totally-senseless/

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 1:34 pm

It’s just a crime shame that this has become a racial issue.
AJ: very well said comment.
To all racists: We are here to stay. (blacks) Get over it. Need I say again skin color is not the issue here. There is some deep seeded hatred among blacks here, but I don’t scare easily. I’m speaking for all the victims, (white AND black) who don’t have voices anymore. And all you racists white men here, don’t you know your daughters’ are MARRYING black men? Wake up assholes, BEFORE you are introduced to your “bi-racial grandchildern”.

By: Shauncey on March 11, 2008
at 1:35 pm

Incogman, please just stop with all the racist rants. I think everyone here agrees that whomever the perp is, that person needs to be caught and dealt with.

Why do you feel the need to personally attack anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinions? In none of my posts have I attacked you or called you any names, yet you persist in doing so, not just to me, but anyone who dares to disagree with you.

I’m not posting to get into a discussion about blacks and whites. In fact it would be pretty stupid as I’m bi-racial.

I’ll say again what I said earlier, A beautiful person was stolen from the Carson family we should all be sending our sympathies and condolences to them.

Change is inevitable incogman, growth is optional – take the option! Peace…..

By: Glow on March 11, 2008
at 1:36 pm

incogman.. this is Bonnie’s Blog (my world) go back to your own blog and vent your stupidty.. I, for one am tired of reading your stupid thoughts.

Michael, you rock too! Like the way you think..

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 1:44 pm

Shauncey,
Get that cornbread reciepe?

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 1:48 pm

“whites commit as much crime as blacks”

That absurd PC comment gave me quite a chuckle.. nothing could be further from the truth.. this PDF study/report is a bit dated (1999) and the black crime statistics are even more overwhelming 8 years later, but it makes the point clearly.. read it and weep, multi-culturalists!

http://www.nc-f.org/colorcrime99.pdf

MAJOR FINDINGS:

1) There is more black on white crime than black on black crime

2) Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. 90 PERCENT!

3) Blacks commit crime at 4 t 8 TIMES the white rate per capita

4) Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes!

5) Hispanics are often classified as “white” in police statistics which even further skews the low white crime rate

6) Blacks are as much more dangerous percentage wise than whites as males are more dangerous than females

By: El Leon Blance on March 11, 2008
at 1:59 pm

El Leon Blance, with a name like that we are to believe that you are white? Gimme a break.. Number 5 is a joke.. they do not lower the rate.. this is retarded.. take your crap elsewehere.. we are tired of the rasicm.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 2:21 pm

Today at work a friend of mine asked me how somebody somebody be so callous to gun down someone for an ATM card. I looked at him and said “He probably learned it from OJ”.

If you don’t believe that White women have become a target for the Black race war against Whites, ask yourself this question: When was the last time you heard in the media a report about a White male needlessly gunning down a Black female? I can’t remember, and you KNOW it would be big news since Jesse and Al would be all over it.

These vicious assaults on White women have become commonplace. So there is an undeclared Race war going on, and unless this nonsense stops, and immediately, it will only be a matter of time until ALL White people (even the bleeding heart liberals) wake up to this fact. Be sure of this: White men WILL rise up to protect their women!

By: Wake Up on March 11, 2008
at 2:22 pm

El Leon Blance, with a name like that we are to believe that you are white? Gimme a break.. Number 5 is a joke.. they do not lower the rate.. this is retarded.. take your crap elsewehere.. we are tired of the rasicm.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You misspelled racism ;0)

El Leon Blance means: “White Lion of Blance” (noble family in Britain) but I wouldn’t expect anyone who has been brainwashed with the communist lie “we’re all the same” would have the experience or insight to interpret anything I post, or that study I linked ;0)

My post was for those with a working cerebral cortex and the desire for truth.. not for suicidal lemmings

PS: Spanish is white language, the original Spaniards were white

By: El Leon Blance on March 11, 2008
at 2:35 pm

Well, I can spell stupid.. El Leon Blance

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 2:42 pm

I am a police officer. Based on my experience of working in black neighborhoods I can tell you that blacks are many, many times more likely to commit violent crime than whites.

In a carjacking case like the one above what usually happens is that the victim will often try to help the perpetrator. My guess is that Eve Carson probably let the killer into her vehicle thinking she was helping him.

With such a politically correct society in which we live today probably no one had taught her any better.

It’s not realistic to think that African Americans can be integrated into white society. There is just far too much difference between the races.

By: Depidy on March 11, 2008
at 3:03 pm

ouch man uncalled for

By: John on March 11, 2008
at 3:04 pm

Ditto. Uncalled for.

By: Depidy on March 11, 2008
at 3:08 pm

Deipy Based on your experience working in black neighborhoods?
Uh, wouldn’t that tells us that yeah, most of them that you deal with would be black.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 3:23 pm

I can not understand why you all seem to feel like you need to keep on being like this.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 3:25 pm

Lets all stop talking past eachother and see if we can agree on certain basic elements of this case.
1. One human killed another human.
2. The murderer should be punished according to the law.
3. There is a racial aspect to this case but ultimately it’s not about race because all peoples are capable of violence.
4. There is a pervasive and destructive mentality among many young black men that influence them to act out in a criminal way. (A gangland mentality)
5. The same destructive gangland mentality that causes young black men to act out in a criminal way is also present in white youth, but it’s not as widespread or violent.
Can we agree on any of these points for starters?

By: Tubby on March 11, 2008
at 3:46 pm

Depidy says:

I am a police officer. Based on my experience of working in black neighborhoods I can tell you that blacks are many, many times more likely to commit violent crime than whites.

Lavonna:

Deipy Based on your experience working in black neighborhoods?
Uh, wouldn’t that tells us that yeah, most of them that you deal with would be black.

I guess even hearing it from somebody with real experience is not enough for some people to accept reality. One, you can’t accept facts. Two, you can’t accept common sense. Three, you can’t accept real experience.

You would do anything for your Diversity Fantasy.

People!
Make clear note on how the media treats race crime. Have you seen much on this crime since the perp’s pics at the ATM showed up? If it was a white guy in those shots, we would have non-stop news reports from that area. Just think about it. This country is living in denial!

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 3:52 pm

Incongman, why are you not on your blog? What you not a popular as Bonnie

Tubby: Lord, I never would have thought that I would agree with you on anything.. but I DO…

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 3:57 pm

Like Diepy is the only law officer in the world? What you think the rest of us don’t have law enforcement in our families? Well, we do and that still don’t mean a cow patty to us..

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 3:59 pm

I’ll be glad when I can turn on the television and see his sorry, black ass in handcuffs!! All you ignorant WHITE people can continue to eat this liberal, knee-jerk bullshit if you like but the black community wants to see this guy go free, untouched. Anyone remember OJ??? We all know that if this was two black girls murdered by two white men jesse and al would be screamin “we want justice” from the mountaintops!!! If they can do it and scream “racial hate crime” why can’t the white people?? White people need to take this as a sign to band together and take a stand against this black hate. The black community WILL NOT REST until they see the white community enslaved. WE WILL ALWAYS be judged and wrongly blamed for something that took place over 140 years ago that we had no control over.

By: Kolmer on March 11, 2008
at 4:00 pm

Kolmer:

We all know that if this was two black girls murdered by two white men jesse and al would be screamin “we want justice” from the mountaintops!!! If they can do it and scream “racial hate crime” why can’t the white people??

Exactimondo!

And by the way, Lavonna, my blog is getting plenty of hits. Brainwashed liberals, like yourself, are too scared to stick around and face facts.

Plus, I have the power of truth behind me — you can only offer platitudes and tired liberal rhetoric. Everyone is SICK and TIRED of the big-mouthed and violent blacks — all spoiled by Affirmative Action and American living.

If it’s so bad here — why don’t they just move back to Africa? Think about it!

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 4:12 pm

Lavonna, I’m glad we have found common ground. I have never been the kind to lump all people into groups. What I don’t like to see in our society is a conscious denial of evidence or facts, racial double standards and a blame others for all our troubles type of attitude. I’m not accusing you Lavonna of having this attitude, I’m just saying. Also Lavonna, take into consideration that if the roles we reversed and a heartless white thug had killed a bright young black college student I, along with most of those on this blog that have a different point of view than you would also be calling for his capture and questioning to see if he was guilty of the murder. If he was found guilty after a trial, I, along with others you disagree with on this blog would advocate for his execution. Murder is murder. All we are saying on this side of the argument is that to recognize the blatant in your face thug mentality that is so popular among many young black men is not racism, it’s just confronting a destructive cultural attitude that may have been part of what motivated these men to kill Miss Carson. Also, no one here is saying white people are perfect or totally innocent. To sum it up; we are sick and tired of gangs, thugs and sensless random acts of violence but we are not sick and tired of all minorities, nor do we hold them all accountable for the actions of the worst among them.

By: Tubby on March 11, 2008
at 4:37 pm

El Leon Blanche says:

5) Hispanics are often classified as “white” in police statistics which even further skews the low white crime rate

Lavonna Says:

Number 5 is a joke.. they do not lower the rate.. this is retarded.. take your crap elsewehere.. we are tired of the rasicm.

Oh yes, they do Lavonna! It’s even worse than what he says. It’s standard operating procedure.

FBI asks local jurisdictions and State police to classify Hispanics in the same category as whites when uploading data, so most localities do it to begin with for simplicity (separate descriptions still call them that). And they still keep white victims separate from hispanics.

This purposefully narrows the gap, statistically in DOJ Countrywide reports, with black crime so it will not stick out so bad. The DOJ will not state why this is done. It’s pure social engineering BS and lies of obfuscation!

And it’s not anything but, since they still keep Native Americans and even Pacific Islanders separate (how many Kahunas do you know committing crime in your neighborhood?).

I have a whole post here on the subject:

http://incogman.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/what-you-dont-know-could-get-you-killed/#more-421

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 4:44 pm

Remember also that in some statistics North African, Persian, East Indian and some other Middle Eastern types are classified as “white”. Does this skew the numbers? Ahhhh, what do you think?

By: Tubby on March 11, 2008
at 5:09 pm

incogman, I do not want to read anything that you post..
Tubby,
I do see your point and I understand what you are saying, but what I as a white woman am just really sick and tired of the post on here talking like all blacks are nothing… I hate it, I hate when people smart off things just to hurt.. It has to stop.
I would never say anything to anyone just to be mean and hurt their feelings but I will stand up give the crap back whether it is me or anyone that is being attacked. I get riled up on this board when I see comments like I have read over the last 3-4 days and I am ready to fight… I just wish that everyone would stop.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 5:29 pm

Lavonna Says:
March 11, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I can not understand why you all seem to feel like you need to keep on being like this.

Well, when Black males stop killing White females en masse, maybe your “community” will earn a little respect. Respect has to be E-A-R-N-E-D.

By: Wake Up on March 11, 2008
at 5:33 pm

well, you haven’t earned it.
what does Your community mean to me? You just reading part of the post and thought you put your dog in this fight? Need to stay on the porch if you have no idea of what your talking about.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 5:39 pm

–R.I.P. Eve Carson–

I’m a black male and I have a comment to make.

I don’t want to hear anything about statistics.
Understand the motive of racist and white supmeracist. They are trying trough “Facts” that black people especially black men are somehow gentically more violent than white people. They are trying to prove that black people are gentically more dangerours than white people. They try to link black people in comparison to uncontraollable wild animals who target white people. This is the first part of genocide. To see those you hate as non-human. This encourges those who kill to feel less guilty because they are protecting society from dangrous “Wild Animals”.

Black people have to understand whenever someone white brings up crime stats using race this is their motive. Stats on race are only suppose to find possible trends on the reasons for the crimes. These stats don’t prove anything and aren’t suppose to.

By: Deyon on March 11, 2008
at 5:57 pm

“I don’t want to hear anything about statistics.
Understand the motive of racist and white supmeracist. They are trying trough “Facts” that black people especially black men are somehow gentically more violent than white people. They are trying to prove that black people are gentically more dangerours than white people. They try to link black people in comparison to uncontraollable wild animals who target white people. ”

You are so completely wrong. We don’t care what the reason is anymore (genetics, socio-economics, slavery,etc.). No one cares anymore. Just stop the violence already. The stats are crystal clear. All the liberal whining and MSM brainwashing can’t change the facts.

The worst part is that all our laws have to be set at the lowest common denominator bar now because black males refuse to behave. If a kid brings a cap gun to school he’s thrown in jail. Why? Because a black kid might actually try to rob someone with it. Our culture is so much worse now because we have to do everything to appease black males and they could absolutely 100% care less.

By: Jim on March 11, 2008
at 6:27 pm

@ Deyon:

Black ARE “wild animals” and most White people with any sense can see that. But you are wrong about the “genocide”. White Separatists want the black beast to just leave us the F alone, you live in your area and we’ll live in ours. We’re sick of you parasites living off the back of the White man, can’t do a damn thing, invent a damn thing on your own. You and your F’d up “culture” well just shove that up your arse. We want no part of your damn BET, your low pants, your little teenage ho’s who make babies and go on welfare, shall I go on? Just leave us the F alone you worthless parasites who are destroying civilization with you lack of morals. You people are cursed, and we want no part of you. That’s all. But go ahead and live your lives, nobody wants you dead fool. Peace out.

By: Wake Up on March 11, 2008
at 6:42 pm

Deyon, thats all well and good and youre entittled to your opinion, but youre not entittled to your own facts. The numbers don’t lie. The numbers don’t explain the reasons behind the criminal acts of people but they simply record those acts. Deyon, to be blunt, most white people are tired of analyzing it and splitting hairs over the reasons behind this rampant thug gang culture. We don’t want to understand it or walk on egg shells trying to appease it, we want it dead and buried and if that sounds too harsh then maybe you can go to Eve Carsons murder site or any various place where young white people have been brutally killed by young black men and ponder the situation yourself. I realize there are places where young black men have been killed by young white men as well, but in recent years those places are much fewer. Just in my surrounding town I can think of atleast six locations off the top of my heard where young black men have either killed or raped a white person in the last few years. I can’t think of one place in my town where the opposite has occured. I hope these personal statistics helps you to understand what we are dealing with here.

By: tubby on March 11, 2008
at 6:45 pm

Lavonna Says:

Incongman, why are you not on your blog? What you not a popular as Bonnie

Kinda like High School, huh? Popularity contest?

Lavonna Says:

incogman, I do not want to read anything that you post..

You can’t face the facts staring you right in the face. Hell, you love it when some black comes on here and starts yammering about stats not meaning anything. I don’t hear you giving him hell about his spelling!

Simply put, you liberals are enablers for these people. They’ll continue offing each other and us as they quickly devolve our cities into sub-Saharan African ones.

I’d like to see you go into one of these places in walk around by yourself. This is precisely the mind-set of liberals in America.

“DE” yon says:

Understand the motive of racist and white supmeracist. They are trying trough “Facts” that black people especially black men are somehow gentically more violent than white people.

I’m not saying anything about genetics, homeboy. Facts and commonsense tells me that one. You’re a violent and spoiled race that plagues this country. You constantly whine about racism and go about proving just how such thinking is well-justified.

And you can’t spell, without a spell checker, worth a dam on top of that.

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 6:46 pm

Lavonna Says:
March 11, 2008 at 5:39 pm
“well, you haven’t earned it.
what does Your community mean to me? You just reading part of the post and thought you put your dog in this fight? Need to stay on the porch if you have no idea of what your talking about.”

Oh I know what I’m talking about. So you go around with a Black name as a cover, and you’re White? Like I give a shit. Maybe if you weren’t so concerned about your feelings getting hurt because I didn’t decipher your race, based on your stupid name Yawanna, you may have seen the truth behind the following statement:

Well, when Black males stop killing White females en masse, maybe the Black “community” will earn a little respect. Respect has to be E-A-R-N-E-D.

Maybe you would even learn that White males are trying to protect White females. But that’s OK, you can embrace your liberal thinking and we’ll see how far that gets you when you’re staring down the barrel of a 9mm as some Black bastard is about to rape and kill you. Go ahead, set yourself up for the fall with your clenched ignorance, it’s your life.

By: Wake Up on March 11, 2008
at 6:56 pm

OK people enough is enough, some of these comments make me loose my intelligence. I am black, with 3 degrees, my gift to this world are my children. Both well educated. They were raised to by both of their parents. They are givers, not takers. I think the major problem in my race is that a lot of single girls and women decide to produce children with no idea what it takes to rear them from child hood to adult hood. They don’t have the required tools, first and foremost a father in the household. A lot of our girls put thier lives and futures in the back pockets of any boy that comes along. Their teen mothers never told them to cherish themselves or that they were special. No morals or values are instilled. I am a firm believer that child a cannot raise a child. Especially a boy child. I had to move from the inner-city. I know that white kids are bad. I have seen them in actions too. But I am talking black kids now, (our future). If they continue on his this path of distruction, we won’t have a future. I got to call it as I see it. Some of our kids just awful. They have no respect anything. A couple of months ago, I was cussed out by a 18 year old and then her 4 year old cussed me out too, because I took a shopping cart that she was going to get. All I could think about was her 4 year old, What type of man will he become? (if he lives to reach manhood). This is just 1 example of so much that I have seen our children do. I am with Bill Cosby and you are offended, the hit dog hollers.
But to the Carson case, I know that somene knows the man in the photos. Chapel Hill is not a large town. Come on people have some honor and bring this person forward.

By: chanel on March 11, 2008
at 7:06 pm

Incongman
First of all you’re the one smarting your fat ass mouth off about the spelling so kiss my crack
Wake up if you have a problem with my God given name I dare your dumbass to take that up with my daddy the one who gave me and my twin Levodis her name.. I don’t need your dumbass trying to protect me.. I have a husband and he does a good job at that and if he isn’t around to do it, don’t worry I have a 380 that will put a nice new nosehole in someone and my main man Bo a 18 month old Shephard won’t let no one near me.. So I don’t need your protection.. Don’t need anymore lip from you either. I only ask for the comments of how black are to stop because you aren’t any better.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 7:22 pm

Wake up.. you are a sad pathetic piece of cow patty..Are our names being assinged by colors now? If so, wished I would have known it, I would have told my mom and dad that “”you can not name us girls Sharita, Lavonna and Levodis and call my brothers Roger, James and Mark. that is just wrong mama cause Wake up says I have a black name but I am not black so mama, you will have to find me white name like Susie, or Mary..

Why would you make fun of my name
I have had this name for almost 41 years and not once has anyone made fun of it but I thought about it and I have figured out.. Why do I care what anyone who is too scared to put their name on here thinks? Well, I don’t give flying rat’s turd what you or anyone else thinks but I just wanted to tell you thank you for noticing me sleep good cause I will.
Good night everyone.

By: Lavonna on March 11, 2008
at 7:43 pm

Lavonna says:

Incongman
First of all you’re the one smarting your fat ass mouth off about the spelling so kiss my crack

Oh, is someone showing their non-liberal side, or what?!!! Got a .380? Super! Here I was thinking your just another yogurt-eating, birkinstok-wearing liberal.
Then so be it. Glad to here you are at least prepared on the outside. Let’s hope you know how to use that piece — you may have to change your politics with the squeeze of your index finger one day!

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 7:46 pm

Chanel Im glad to see someone of your race with some sense. You speak like most of us are trying to come across. Its not all of your race. Some of your race are extra ordinary people, race aside but there are many who grab the spotlight as extreme low lifes. The guy(s) who did this, and it even could have been a female involved too as we have seen in the past year need to be exterminated, not sent to prison to train in their craft and possibly get out one day. I dont want to tell you what to do about your race but as a potential leader of your race you need to jerk these animals up by their dreds and knock some sense into them.

By: Matt on March 11, 2008
at 7:51 pm

From a so-called black man (with 3 degrees even, don’t forget to tell us all that):

But to the Carson case, I know that somene knows the man in the photos. Chapel Hill is not a large town. Come on people have some honor and bring this person forward.

They have a “No Snitch” policy which makes these people all accomplices. He’s probably sitting in front of the TV at his Grandma’s house, drinking Colt 45 and watching interracial porn. His homies are running out for Popeye’s and crack rocks with welfare check money to bring back to the “crib.”

These kind of “people” have zero sense of justice nor care one iota what you “oreos” think, let alone what any jive-ass whitey girl thinks. They just want some fun right now.

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

By: incogman on March 11, 2008
at 8:22 pm

>Where are you getting your statistics? In the statistics that I’ve seen, there is only a 1.7% difference in crimes of murder, white offenders vs black offenders. That’s not much of a difference!

It’s also not true. Blacks in America are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder according to crime statistics gathered by the US Department of Justice and published in The Color of Crime (2005). http://amren.com/newstore/cart.php?page=color_of_crime
Blacks are also eight times more likely to commit robbery. In the period 1976-2005 blacks committed 52% of the homicides although they make up only 13% of the population. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

>If Eve Carson was as “pro-diversity” or for the improvement of race relations, maybe you should pattern your life as she did.

And end up like her?

>I don’t think that your comments are supporting of solving this crime.

Solving the crime is not our job; it’s the job of the police. Our job is to learn what we can, and live our lives accordingly. Building your life around make-believe, feel-goodism, and self-deception can get you killed. If some urban youth with his pants sagging down and his cap turned backwards approaches me on the street, what am I going to do? Go into a heightened state of alert? Or sing kumbaya and think about how “there’s good and bad in all races”?

>I think that you should take a course or get some formal training about DIVERSITY and race relations.

I went to public school all my life. I live in a large city with no ethnic majority in a state that has no ethnic majority. Spare me the chirpy nonsense about the joys of diversity. As proven by your ignorance of even basic crime statistics, you’re clearly the one who could use an education in this subject. Listen, C, I don’t say this to insult you.

>I will pray for you that you let go of your hate

I hate murderers, I hate self-deception and double standards, I hate the endless excuses and apologetics which enable black depredation and blame society. I hate the endless egalitarian propaganda extolling the “joys of diversity” and concomitant enforced integration. I hate the misogynist gangsta rap that encourages young blacks to rape and murder whites, and I especially hate the people at Time-Warner and other entertainment companies which pump this raw cultural sewage into our culture.

>So I guess you should be afraid and cautious of the “white” people than the black people. Right?

Not necessarily. In my own case, I have managed to structure my affairs so that I have almost no contact with blacks, but I know that when my job takes me into a black neighborhood, my risk of becoming a victim of a violent crime rises sharply even though overall my risk of being murdered is still low. Do you see what I mean?

Avoid participation in the black market in drugs and you significantly reduce your chance of getting murdered. One study I read in 1990 surveyed murders in Washington, DC, and concluded that 80% of them were associated with the illegal pharmaceuticals market.

While murder is the most extreme form of violent crime, it is in fact a quite rare event. In 2005 out of 296 million people there were 18,538 non-negligent homicides.

Let’s look at the much more common category of violent crimes. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic.

>What bothers me is that whenever a crime is committed, it is reported with a basic description of the suspect but race is never mentioned anymore …

Your statement is a bit too sweeping to be true, although there’s definitely a trend in that direction.

>I find that rasicts [sic] who feel the need to always smart off to blacks are part of the problem

I don’t see whites smarting off to blacks. Honestly, when was the last time you saw expression of anti-black sentiments in public? These days if white people talk about racial issues, we mostly speak in code and in hushed tones – unless we’re at an American Renaissance conference.

>Think maybe now we’re feeling what the Indians felt when we came over here and took over?

The Indians had a liberal immigration policy – and look what happened to them!

>There are a lot of scientific studies that show that even intelligence ( which a lot of people, I bet you included, believe is determined genetically ) is in fact greatly influenced by the environment the person grows up in.
R, I cannot think of anyone who that intelligence is solely determined by genetics. The consensus among evolutionary biologists is that intelligence is influenced by both genes and environment. Rushton, Lynn, Jensen think that genes account for about 60 – 80 percent. After I began to study the scientific data, I am inclined to agree.

>“Let’s get off our asses and make changes” as Bill Cosby recently came out and basically said.

In 1991 Bill Cosby announced that he had joined the growing number of blacks who believe that AIDS was developed “to get after certain people.” He admitted that he had no proof. “I just have a feeling,” he said. (New York Post, 12/4/1991) Another goofy, blame-whitey conspiracy theory from someone who really should know better.

>Putting all blacks in the same pot is just wrong.

Liberals have no problem “putting all blacks in the same pot” when they want to distribute racially-earmarked benefits. Blacks have no problem putting all whites in the same pot when they nurse racial grievances and seek to extort “reparations” from the evil white man.

>please do us all a favor and provide the statistics for “parents who murder their offspring”

Funny you should mention it. Blacks and Hispanics are once again overrepresented among the ranks of the offenders. See The Epidemiology of Child Homicide in California, 1981 through 1990 by Chew et al.

>And while I’m on the issue, I firmly believe that black america needs to get its act together but lets not forget that it was white america which sowed these seeds.

So black failure is the result of white racism? So whites are responsible for black behavior? To the extent that any black of whatever class believes these things, he is a prisoner of his own illusions.

>Slavery destroyed the black family in this country and it doesn’t take a degree in sociology to see that we are seeing the repercussions of this still today.

Nonsense. Between 1890 and 1950, black women were *more* likely than white women to be married. In 1950 only nine percent of black families were headed by a single parent. By 1965, the number of 28 percent, and by 1970 it was 33 percent. By 1994fully one-half of black families were headed by single parents. In 1959 only 15 percent of black children were born out of wedlock. By 1992, the figure was nearly 70 percent.

The black family survived slavery, the Depression, urbanization, and the postwar migrations to the North, only to collapse when America was doing its best to do away with racial inequality. Please spare us the “blame whitey” excuse.

>White people will never know what it is to be a minority in this country.

Actually, we will. The demographers at the US Census inform us that whites will cease to be a majority by 1950. When we become a minority, do you think that we’ll qualify for affirmative action?

>If you take out socioeconomic status then that statistic becomes much less relevant. Poverty and crime go hand in hand.

During the Depression the crime rate was lower than it is now. West Virginia – one of the poorest states in the union – also has one of the lowest rates of violent crime. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

By: Jim Sachsen on March 11, 2008
at 8:35 pm

Incogman.
What part of me telling you that I don’t want to read your posts do you not understand,, Don’t even bother to address me because I don’t want to talk to you.
I told you all that stupid people piss me off and you are a stupid person.
You get on here and smart off to everyone. What, does no one come to your little blog? Boo hoo… I feel sorry for you, you seem to think that either people really care what you think or you just feel that you are so high and mighty that the only way anyone will listen to you is if you put people down.
I bet you are a short 5′2 foot man with a bad odor, thick glasses and live by yourself in a basement of a duplex that is run down, so in order to feel good about yourself you have make people think that your a something. I bet you are living off the welfare of the people in your state.

You don’t know me but you seem to have to always smart your fat mouth off to me.. I do know how to use a gun, shorty and I really don’t need you worrying about me.. I do just fine but thanks for caring.

By: Lavonna on March 12, 2008
at 5:17 am

Yeah, you nailed me to a tee, there girl. I betcha you’re a squat little odorious troll-like Liberal, with a bad complexion, wearing a Che Guevara T-Shirt, 80 lbs overweight and you live with some skinny guy who spits when he talks.

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 7:23 am

Oh, I forgot, she’s a half-breed mullatto, with the worst genes from both races. Her skinny, gummy husband is some illegal Mestizo she married because she offered him citizenship and that was the only way she could get anyone to touch her.

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 7:37 am

LOL.. what the frick ever losers.. Those were good one but if I were all that I would still be a better person than either one of you..

By: Lavonna on March 12, 2008
at 7:58 am

Oh, so, let’s everyone gang up on Lavonna because she’s a white woman who’s decent enough to NOT judge people by the color of their skin. You people make me seriously want to throw up.
Depidy: (the racist police officer), How many black people have you illegally killed? Just curious.
El Leon whatever and Wake up: You 2 should get together and form some sort of support group for idiots. It seems you already have a big following.

note from blog ownerHere Here! I agree with you Shauncey! I am also a white woman (well, more pinkish really!) and I detest, let me repeat myself I DETEST such racial implications as I have seen here. The color of one’s skin means absolutely nothing. Period. After all, I believe you, Shauncey, are a darker color than I am, but we are so much alike! I would kick others off of my blog before you! So there.

By: Shauncey on March 12, 2008
at 11:48 am

Depidy: (the racist police officer), How many black people have you illegally killed? Just curious.

Look, how DO YOU know that? That’s a hell of thing to say to officer of the law who puts his life on the line in places like that!

I’ve talked to plenty of officers and they all say the same thing: Black areas are violent and lawless. Hell, turn on your local news at 6!

Oh yeah, if anyone has questions for David Duke, post the comments at his article on my site (first one). I’ve asked him to read them. If you are disrespectful, I’m deleting you.

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 12:34 pm

Thank you Bonnie for telling Shauncey that.. You still rock..

By: Lavonna on March 12, 2008
at 12:53 pm

Incogman,
Just a feeling that I have DEEP in my bones. So you think “thats a hell of a thing to say” about a police officer who came on a public blog and basically ADMITTED that he was prejudiced? Why did my question suprise you? I think it is a legit question. I mean, come on. I seriously doubt that he puts “his life on the line” for people that he can’t stomach. (blacks) I know if I didn’t like “white” people, I sure as hell am NOT going to risk my life for them. Sorry, I’m just not buying the “equal oppertunity cop” roll. Go blow smoke up someone else’s ass.

By: Shauncey on March 12, 2008
at 12:58 pm

I can’t tell you the numbers of whites that have told me, over the years, they can’t stand blacks after working with them. Teachers, Police, Social workers, Postmen. Lawyers, Clerks in stores, etc. etc.

Hell, my personal experience changed my thinking! They are a violent and spoiled race of children.

Being around them is enough to turn anyone into a KKK Grand Wizard. You probably live in a nice white neighborhood, someplace whitey, and have ZERO idea. It’s people like you who are misguided about the REAL world outside your gates.

And how do you possibly know that the cop killed one ILLEGALLY like you said? That was totally uncalled for and is disgusting for someone who has a crime blog.

When someone you know gets wacked for her ATM card or gets raped by one of them, then you might think twice about your DIE-versity Fantasy. But, by the sound of it, even that might not be enough for you!

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 1:25 pm

mylifeofcrime,
Thank you.

By: Shauncey on March 12, 2008
at 1:26 pm

Incogman,

I just went to your blog. Why so onesided? Sure blacks kill whites no doubt about it and their murders aren’t treated like racial motivated crimes because the victims are white. I know that and Im not afraid to admit it. This doesn’t make me a racist just stating the obvious. With that being said there are plenty of suburban white kids killing their parents and siblings because they can’t use the cell phone, internet or date who they want. White fathers and mothers are killing their own precious children. White racist killing blacks(how much of that was swept under the rug over the years?). There is plenty of black on black crime in most urban areas when blacks commit crimes it is generally againist one another. I use to live in New Orleans and most of the people getting killed were mixed up with the wrong people. With so much crime in the streets these days why just single out black on white crime it is just one piece of the puzzle. I think the main problem with society and the reason crime has gotten worse and worse in general is due to break down of the family unit and God has been taken out of the picture in schools and most family homes. Children need a mother and a father and God. Im not saying that everyone who doesn’t have a perfect childhood will grow up to be a murderer but it doesn’t hurt to have some real role models to look up to.

By: CAROLYN on March 12, 2008
at 1:30 pm

I do!!! LOL.. I always agree with smart people.

By: Lavonna on March 12, 2008
at 1:37 pm

Carolyn says:

I just went to your blog. Why so onesided? Sure blacks kill whites no doubt about it and their murders aren’t treated like racial motivated crimes because the victims are white. I know that and Im not afraid to admit it. This doesn’t make me a racist just stating the obvious. With that being said there are plenty of suburban white kids killing their parents and siblings because they can’t use the cell phone, internet or date who they want.

One sided is right:

More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year.

Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks.

About 1 million Whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted, or raped by Blacks in 1992.

In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and nonviolent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S.

Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than Whites the same age.

Some 90% of the victims of race crimes are Whites.

Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population. http://incogman.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/what-you-dont-know-could-get-you-killed/#more-421

Yeah, and you have the few white EMOS killing their parents over cell phones or love affairs gone bad, so that just makes everything just fine.

All I am saying: Is that it could well happen to you. Take just a few minutes and read some of the facts that I bring to the table and some of the heart-rending stories of whites being victimized in this way.

Trust me: It could happen out of the blue to you or someone you know. The facts are the facts. White people are always made out as the evil racists all the time when the truth of the matter is that we are allowing ourselves to become victims for social eglaritarian wishes and hopes!

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 1:59 pm

You all sound beyond pathetic!! Whites vs Blacks, this vs that … what tha fuck are you guys talking about?? A GIRL HAS BEEN MURDERED!!! If it was a white man that murdered her, would it really make much of a fuckin difference, she would still be dead!! So i suggest you all fuckin grow the fuck up because its ignorant ass fools like all of you, that crime is still a major part of our society… seriously grow the fuck up!

By: dontworryaboutit on March 12, 2008
at 2:42 pm

You all sound beyond pathetic!! Whites vs Blacks, this vs that … what tha fuck are you guys talking about?? A GIRL HAS BEEN MURDERED!!! If it was a white man that murdered her, would it really make much of a fuckin difference, she would still be dead!! So i suggest you all fuckin grow the fuck up because its ignorant ass fools like all of you, that crime is still a major part of our society… seriously grow the fuck up! I feel bad for her family, and her friends.. and the face that an innocent girl lost her life… Rip

By: dontworryaboutit on March 12, 2008
at 2:42 pm

We get it already! You don’t like blacks. Can we please move on now?

By: Shauncey on March 12, 2008
at 4:00 pm

Imagine that…these two hoodrats were on probation. Another example of wasted probation on those who needed to be locked up.

By: Matt on March 12, 2008
at 6:24 pm

Over 100 white women A DAY are raped by blacks. How many black women are raped by white men? Somewhere less then 10, possibly none, PER YEAR. Over 700 White women a year are murdered by blacks.
http://incogman.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/what-you-dont-know-could-get-you-raped/#more-431

You think the US media will reports such facts? What a laugh. The media was all over that stupid Duke/Lacrosse stripper thing, doing magazine cover stories the same month.

Watch this story go down the memory hole. It’s already now being ignored by the national networks since they know it’s a black. Ask yourself: If the races were reversed, what do you think would be happening? The US Media spits in the face of all white people today!

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 6:59 pm

and of course the slick lawyers will wait years fromnow before the case is actually tried so the memory can die down only to be painfully revisited for the girls friends and family. maybe by then it will be a crime to want to execute a youngblud like this for murder and he can sit in prision and write books and give interviews about the evil white police like Mumia in Pa

By: Matt on March 12, 2008
at 7:43 pm

Yeah, and then you’ll have bleeding heart white liberals outside the prison when he’s finally executed 15-20 years from now, bemoaning his fate and how executions are so bad. They’ll even whine about blacks being “over-represented” on death row! And we wonder why? What a sorry joke on America, anymore.
None of these white liberals will care one iota about these blacks executing their victims in cold blood!
Those slick lawyers will get paid by the tax money coming from white victims, too.

By: incogman on March 12, 2008
at 7:52 pm

Incogman get your statisics straight.

Lets just say you are right about the 1600 whites murder each year by blacks. With a US population of more than 281,000,000 people 1600 is just a drop in the bucket. Considering their are probably more white husbands murdering their pregnant wivies and girlfriends.

As for your 1992 statisics for the 1 million rapes and murders ect. Sounds like you got your info from a nazi website. I can tell you it wasn’t anywhere repetable.

As far as this happening to me. Random craziness happens everyday. I probably have a better chance of some white pervert trying to take my son or having a car accident. However I know I will not change your mind therefore I will discontinue using this precious space on such a useless cause. I would like to send my thoughts and prayers to Eve Carsons family. I know you are hurting and the world lost a bright star with her passing. Please take some comfort in knowing they have caught the suspects.

By: carolyn on March 13, 2008
at 6:18 am

What kills me is when crimes like this happen everyone wants to play the race card and bring up all kinds of statisics. When the real deal is no matter what race your dealing with its MEN (black, white, yellow, green, or blue) that are committing 95% of crimes againist woman. I guess if I had Incogman’s mentality I would never go near another Male again.

By: carolyn Mckibbin on March 13, 2008
at 11:48 am

We simply need to lock up black males between 13 and 29 for 5 years the moment they commit their first violent crime or get into a fight. The second time they are in a fight or commit a violent crime they should be thrown in prison for life. Everything else has been tried and doesn’t work. This isn’t being a racist this is simply being a pragmatist.

Further, TV should stop portraying black male gang members as if they were really nice guys underneath it all. They aren’t. And unfortunately letting your guard down for one second when your in the wrong place or at the wrong time can now get you killed. We should stop the brainwashing by TV of white kids who don’t know any better. Then, when these kids grow up and see a black gangster in a dark alley they’re not like “Howdy Neighbor” they are more like “I gotta get out of here fast.” That’s reality.

If liberals want to wish the fact that black males commit crimes at much higher rates than any other demographic it won’t work. They can try to explain it away (systemic racism, slavery, socio-economic status, etc) but it still doesn’t change the facts. They can even pander to blacks but that just makes them despise whites more. The only thing we can do that will work is have an all-out legal crackdown on this crime. It’s the only option that will work.

By: Jim on March 13, 2008
at 1:12 pm

Jim,
Shouldn’t the same apply to whites? It amazes me how you people claim to have such high educations and degrees. They don’t teach the shit that your preaching in school. What is scary is that alot of people that feel the way you do are in very high positions, with alot of power. Thank goodness African-americans are educating themselves, to be in the same positions and wield the same power. Just goes to show you. You can have the best education that money can buy, and still be an ignorant asshole.

By: Shauncey on March 13, 2008
at 1:36 pm

Shauncey,
That is so right.. so many ignorant people on this board.

By: Lavonna on March 13, 2008
at 1:41 pm

Well look at the makeup of these gangs in Durham and get back to me. Very few whites.

By: Matt on March 13, 2008
at 1:58 pm

Ill go ahead and tell ya, its 87% black as of 2006. If the gang problem is 87% black then what do you expect is the problem that needs to be addressed? Tackle the problem of why young blacks are so predisposed to be in a gang or at least why are they the ones who make up the gangs. If you head is in the sand on this matter that just means your ass will get kicked over and over again.

By: Matt on March 13, 2008
at 2:14 pm

correction on the last its 82% black and 15% hispanic. I guess its the 3% that are really doing the most damage, not.

By: Matt on March 13, 2008
at 2:16 pm

Told you that this board is full of ignorant people

By: Lavonna on March 13, 2008
at 2:22 pm

Hell, just look at how blacks act when they get any money. They squander it away on drugs and high-living. Sometimes even shoot each other. The NFL and Rap stars are always knocking each othe off.

Blacks are spoiled and violent race of children in this country. Face the facts. It’s just going to get worse with the pressures of more Hispanics. This country will be a hell-hole in about 10 years. Already is that way in many parts.

By: incogman on March 13, 2008
at 2:25 pm

I find the race conversation interesting and relevant. Two young, bright women–Eve Carson and Lauren Burk–are brutally murdered in what were thought to be safe communities. The culprits are likely young, poor, uneducated black men. The mug shots are there, but the mainstream media dare not address the beckoning question of race. Young black men make up disproportionate numbers in our nation’s prisons, and the media won’t address this fact honestly, either. The problem may indeed originate with slavery, but we are decades out from the worst prejudices. We cannot change history, so we need to be honest about what can be done now. And the problem now has to be said: Black men need to step up, stop fathering children they don’t support, and stop blaming their bad behavior on the past.

By: Molly on March 13, 2008
at 4:33 pm

BINGO Molly. To quote Mr Did from the 80’s” That’s what I’ve been trying to ya lady!!!”

By: Matt on March 13, 2008
at 5:57 pm

Molly
“Black men need to step up, stop fathering children they don’t support, and stop blaming their bad behavior on the past.”

99% of black people feel the exact same way. I have one question though, and this goes out to all of those who claim that they are not “racist” and that they are just stating facts. Why is this looked at as being a black problem as opposed to being an “American” problem. Perhaps the answer to that question is actually part of the problem.

By: BF on March 13, 2008
at 6:43 pm

There are many angry words going back and forth here. First of all this is one of the saddest situations. A bright and beautiful young lady is dead. Her family, not understanding why, is devastated. The two young men who commited this crime should be punished to the fullest extend of the law. These men are like many in the African American community. They didn’t just start going down the wrong road. Their path began as children. Possibily single parent homes; no parent homes; drug and alcohol abuse in their lives; no mentors; no value for education; no love; no spiritual beliefs; no vision outside of the community they live in. We should ask ourselves, what can we do as a society to help reverse what is happening. Not just in this case, but also in college campus killings, in high school campus killings, and in recent months the abduction of single women raped and killed.

By: michelle on March 13, 2008
at 7:02 pm

we need to tackle the problem at hand and not try to generalize a blanket solution for all. its like when two cars break down, one because of a oil pump and another because of a blown transmission. the same result occurred, both vehicles are broken down but is the fix the same? no, there two separate solutions to get the same result, a vehicle that works. you cannot apply the same solution for a troublemaker that lives in the suburbs and one that lives in the inner city, even if the crime is the same. todays society thinks they can place a blanket solution over the problem of crime but the fix doesnt work on everybody the same.

By: Matt on March 13, 2008
at 11:53 pm

until people recognize that this utopian idea of peace, love and harmony will never exist as is the problem will only grow and we will go even further from it. call it racism all you want but that only adds fuel to the wildfire.

By: Matt on March 13, 2008
at 11:55 pm

there are also those in society that want racism to live on. of course its those who subscribe to ideals like the KKK, skinheads, neo-nazis etc but also its those undet the guise of harmonists like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson etc. They too live off of race tensions, its their purpose in life. They offer no solutions only complaints about the way things are. You think MLK and Malcolm X were killed by white people, no. They were betrayed by ones whom they trusted or ones they trusted at one time. James Earl Ray was a perfect patsy just as Oswald was but look at the times, conspiracy was in the air and race tensions were a one way ticket to self fame for ones like Jesse Jackson and Louis Farakhan. I may be leaving the topic a little but actually its in line in a way and that is we need to solve these problems with real solutions and those who think they are being helped by those who only want to point out racism in things are being led astray, could your own version of the anti-Christ, who knows.

By: Matt on March 14, 2008
at 12:03 am

Michelle says:

We should ask ourselves, what can we do as a society to help reverse what is happening.

We have poured billions of dollars into this going on 45 years now the mid-1960’s. The black family’s stats are even worse.

It’s time America demanded accountability. We must require that blacks reverse their own failure.

We must require their leaders (Jackson et al) address their own people, before preaching to us.

We must end the welfare state too, it is also a proven failure based on stats.

By: Portnoy's complaint on March 14, 2008
at 11:47 am

Michelle says:

We should ask ourselves, what can we do as a society to help reverse what is happening.

We have poured billions of dollars into this going on 45 years now the mid-1960’s. The black family’s stats are even worse.

It’s time America demanded accountability. We must require that blacks reverse their own failure.

We must require their leaders (Jackson et al) address their own people, before preaching to us.

We must end the welfare state too, it is also a proven failure based on stats.

By: Portnoy's complaint on March 14, 2008
at 11:47 am

I am black, and I am working with different organizations to help those who are misguided. One of the organizations is mixed race and one is African American. Both are very dedicated to the community and to those who have limited resources and are lacking in values, and a vision. I realize there is a problem in the black community, but many of my whites brothers and sisters realize it as well. We are working to change the lives of some, which in turn will help many. I don’t look to any leader to tell me what is wrong because I can see what is wrong. I’m very thankful to be working with groups of people who don’t point fingers at color, but understand it’s the cause that produces the effects. It’s the causes that need to be addressed to bring a change about in society.

By: michelle on March 14, 2008
at 1:11 pm

Very interesting discussion going on here.

If I may make an observation, it seems to me that there has been an extraordinary lack of honesty in many of the opinions presented here.

Like it or not, the statistics quoted above by INCOG MAN, and others are 100% correct. They’re statistics are pulled from reports compiled by the US Department of Justice. One may look for oneself here:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf

It’s my opinion that it would be much more constructive for all to be honest and admit the truth: Black males are many, many more times for likely to commit violent crimes then and against Whites. Astronomically higher. Latino males are not far behind. It’s the simple truth.

No matter what self-righteous, self-hating Whites like “Lavonna” (whom I am highly suspicious of being a Black in Whites clothing), and others like Glow, Carolyn Mckibbin, etc., who what to simply deny what is staring them in the face: THE FACTS.

Sorry. The facts are the facts. They are not an opinion, they are not a judgment- they are what they are: THE TRUTH.

Please let me qualify with what I wish to close with by saying this: I am a White male who works in a highly Black and Latino area in downtown Los Angeles. I come in contact daily with every single race, social-economic class, and culture. In my particular position, I interact and serve all of these people in a very intimate setting and get to know them and their stories and have a somewhat unique opportunity to observe behaviors. I see people at their very worst. Arrested, homeless, drunk, beat up, hurt, raped, you name it.

When I come into contact with a White who is behaving inappropriately, or unbecoming, I am MUCH harder in my judgments and my handling of whatever situation we’re in that I would be with a Black of Latino. I have a standard of behavior that I expect from fellow Whites. When they act contrary to what is considered by most Whites as appropriate, I do not make excuses, I don’t try to dodge or evade responsibility for them. I tell them like it is, I use “Shame” as well as I can, and remind them of they way their behaving, particularly if women and children are present. In other words, I take responsibility for the behavior of fellow members of my White family.

Perhaps, you people in the Black community to do well to do the same. Be honest about what is happening in YOUR communities. Take responsibility for YOUR actions. Take some responsibilities for your neighbors when they are acting inappropriately. Do not make excuses for, condone or transfer responsibility for members of YOUR race and community onto White people.

They’re members of YOUR family. YOU take responsibility for YOUR OWN.

The world would be a much safer place.

Rob Chapman
http://robchapmanonline.com/

By: Rob Chapman on March 14, 2008
at 7:42 pm

Rob I appreciate your comments.

I also understand and recognize the statistics. I’m not sure what you mean about a lack of honesty. I will say working to help others in a poor community of gangs , drugs, and illiteracy is a lot different than living in that community. Let’s say you have a brother who is addicted to drugs and you made sure he received rehabilitation services. You attended his meetings with him and helped him secure employment. Let’s say you went through these steps 5 or 6 times during his teenage and young adult life. Of course, during this time of rehab your brother is lying, stealing, and hurting others. You are being responsible……how long do you continue to be responsible. You have given your brother the tools for recovery: 1) rehab, 2)counseling, 3) employment 4) support, 5) love, and 6) commitment. When do you wean yourself from the situation and say I’ve done all I can here.

Being responsible for one’s race/ family members is giving them the necessary tools to change. Showing them a different way of life they have never seen. Getting them to set goals. In following this process there will be some who succeed; some will not. The key is not to give up on the process which will produce positive changes and reduce the statistics you are speaking of. This process is one that needs to be implemented in all urban areas, and poor rural areas where these “black statistics” live.

When you look at the statistics look further into to profile of these individuals. How many are from welfare mothers; how many are from single mother homes; how many are below grade level in school; how many are angry about their situations; how many want to change, but don’t know how to? I can’t imagine a black first grader sets his or her aspirations to be a thief, killer, lier, robber, or a drug addict.

What is always interesting is how those who have never been in urban environments have all the answers to the “black statistics” problem. I would like to get everyone’s viewpoint after you have devoted some time in working in the projects with troubled youths. Volunteer in a juvenile center and hear the stories of what went wrong in these young peoples lives. Committ to making a difference in the life of just one young black youth. There have been at least 15 people in this conversation. What an impact it would make to get 15 “black statisitcs” on the right path.
That is a beginning to reducing stealing, killing, lying, drug addiction, drug dealing and unemployment. Also, a beginning to better values, higher self esteem, ambition, lower crime rates, and a better society for all.

The implication that black americans are not involved in trying to change this cycle of crime, gangs, and drugs is untrue and unfair. Look in your phone books and look at the united way agency’s that have inner city program. Many black americans work and volunteer in these agencies. Research the programs that black churches have in place for troubled youths. Check out the programs The Girls and Boys Clubs have in place. There are independent community centers that are trying to make a difference as well.

By: michelle on March 15, 2008
at 8:30 am

‘Rob,
Hey Stupid.. I am not a white hater… I am a white woman, ask Bonnie she knows what I look like, even if you don’t believe me.. who gives a crap? I don’t …
I hate racism and that is what started this stupid crap,
Rob said
When I come into contact with a White who is behaving inappropriately, or unbecoming, I am MUCH harder in my judgments and my handling of whatever situation we’re in that I would be with a Black of Latino. I have a standard of behavior that I expect from fellow Whites. When they act contrary to what is considered by most Whites as appropriate, I do not make excuses, I don’t try to dodge or evade responsibility for them. I tell them like it is, I use “Shame” as well as I can, and remind them of they way their behaving, particularly if women and children are present. In other words, I take responsibility for the behavior of fellow members of my White family.
—————————————————————
Lavonna says that you are a hypocriate…. You use shame and remind them of their behavior but when I do it on here and take up for the blacks because they are not all like you all are saying then you say that I am liar? You say that I am black..Well, hypocriate you should you know what you are talking about before you start flapping your jawa at me.

By: Lavonna on March 15, 2008
at 11:36 am

jaws*

By: Lavonna on March 15, 2008
at 11:40 am

Michelle,

An articulate, well-thought out and reasoned reply (as opposed to my original post – filled with typos- sorry everyone).

I used dishonesty as the core of my opinion as it been on prominent display throughout this entire thread. Although I enjoyed your response (and am NOT being critical at all when I say this, but), you failed to address that very issue, which, in my opinion, is at the very core of the problem.

Blacks and liberal Whites refuse to admit the truth: That Blacks commit an astronomically high amount of violent crime as it relates to their proportion of the population. Not to mention the inter-racial Black-on-White crime rates. They’re off the map.

Sorry-but it’s the truth! Admit it!

And I will admit this: Blacks did not ask to be brought here as slaves. They were exploited, abused and victimized. There has been major obstacles to overcome. I get that.

Not to over-simplify the conversation, but to get to the point, that was then, and this is now.

At some point, Blacks are going to have to take responsibility for themselves, and quite blaming Whitey for everything.

It is now time for the Black community to take responsibility for their OWN communities. It is time for black families to take responsibility for their OWN families. It is time for Black men and women to take responsibility for their OWN lives.

And, in my opinion, in all must begin with honesty.

Ignoring the truth, white-washing statistics and facts, making excuses for and transferring blame will do NOTHING but keep Black America where they are now: down, dependent, resentful, and on the fringes.

I WANT Blacks to lift themselves up. I want them to succeed. I am not the one holding them back, nor is White America.

The worst enemy the Black community has, is, the Black Community.

And Lavonna, I meant no offense whatsoever in my last post. It’s OK to be Black, I wasn’t implying anything else.

But I think you should get the ball rolling here and just admit that your Black. I’m OK with it. Really.

By: Rob Chapman on March 15, 2008
at 9:07 pm

Well, I was offended.. You make me out to seem like I am a liar and that my friend is one thing I am not.. But since you are such a hypocriate of things I would bet that you are and I am ok with that, really.

By: Lavonna on March 16, 2008
at 10:01 am

Rob,

I’m Michelle’s defense she did not state that the statistics given were not true. She actually addressed your opinion, not truth, of what roles Black people play in the negativity of their communities. She actually gave a crystal clear depiction of how things really are with inner city and troubled youth. Her reply is the “how-to” guide to motivating positivity in everyone, not just people of the BLACK race.
Talking about slavery and its effects on black people, and how white people are to blame for everything isn’t addressing anything that Michelle stated in her reply.
And stating that she refuses to admit the problem (of blacks being the most likely to commit a murderous crime) is not the ANSWER as you said. Neither is generalizing all Black people, assuming that they all have the same motives. No one thought that about white males, when Columbine happened, or when Jeffery Daumer killed, or the Uni Bomber. I think that placing blame on the entire race, is what’s convienient for you. That’s because you as a white man, think that you have no responsibility for anyone but yourself. Thinking of the issue in those terms, you are able to sleep better at night. Do you not think that every interaction that you have with someone either negatively or positively affects them?
Crimes are socioeconomic, these children are products of their own environments. It’s very seldom that anyone, of any racial background, is able to totally remove themselves from the culture that they were raised in, the culture that they couldn’t choose. This doesn’t provide any excuse for the situation, but rather insight into the solution.
Statistics also show that children that are raised in more wealthy, structured environments succeed, no matter what race. If these youth (black, white, latino, etc) could have chosen a better family, a better environment, a more promising future would lie ahead of them. However, they are doomed from the moment they exit the womb.
It would be wise if maybe you helped some of these misdirected youth, so that they don’t grow to be a statistic. And too be a little more honest in your approach to the situation, not always placing blame on the entire Black community for neglect of their own.

By: Lissa on March 18, 2008
at 1:35 pm

So let’s blame the worlds problems on black people!! You f**king idiots. When will you realize that white people are no BETTER than black people, or ANY other race. Get your heads outta your asses people. WE ARE HERE TO STAY, faults and all. Just like YOU. You don’t like it, too damn bad. White people make mistakes just like blacks. What excuse would you assholes have if we were ALL white. Then what, you’d base it on haircolor. Too much. Get a damn life and stop being so racist. I hope all you assholes have bi-racial grandchildren! It would serve you right. Even better, I hope your children all fall in love and marry someone of a different race. Poetic justice. May your childrens’ love interests be chinese, black, jewish, or (oh wait, God forbid) HISPANIC.

By: Shauncey on March 18, 2008
at 3:49 pm

Shauncey,
I never wish bad things on people but I would like to add to your hopes of them getting bi-racial kids…
I wish diarrhea on them and I hope all they have to wipe with is generic toilet paper

By: Lavonna on March 18, 2008
at 5:00 pm

I am an African American female, and a Christian. God loves everyone-i laughed at some of the racist comments: koolaid, etc…because things like that should affect blacks, just as the word “cracker” should not affect whites. It is very important to operate in love. Yes, there will always be a rage when their is a case of black vs. white because of the past. But that is the problem because holding to the past always leads to bitterness, anger and the decision to not operate in love. Blacks should not hold on to the past of slavery because we have come a long way and will continue to press forward. Whites should not hold on to the past and have hatred towards blacks because it is obviously not decreasing the amount of power that blacks are continuing to have which will increase over the years. But power is not the issue although society does not make all races equal and they will never be equal, love is the issue and love keeps no record of wrongs. God loves us all the same. The act done against her was wrong whether done by black, white, or whatever race. Here is a verse from one of the missing books of the bible which is really interesting. The book is called Ecclesiasticus. Read it and let it sink deep into your hearts: “What race deserves honour? The human race. What race deserves honour? Those who fear the Lord. What race deserves contempt? The human race. What race deserves contempt? Those who break the commandments.” God bless you all and I still have love for those who made racist comments!!

By: Breguita on March 18, 2008
at 10:22 pm

excuse me…i meant to say “not affect blacks”

By: Breguita on March 18, 2008
at 10:23 pm

Lisa,
Bravo, very well said. You understood exactly what I was saying.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!

By: michelle on March 19, 2008
at 7:55 pm

and guess what,,,Duke is right!
http://www.davidduke.com/

By: Reb on March 28, 2008
at 9:35 pm

what’s funny is how so many people are so worried about the black male menace while
powerful, privileged white men
e.g. Bush, Cheney, Bernake
are truly destroying this fantasy called the american dream with their disastrous economic policies
(e.g. ask why team bush how to fund a war and issue a tax cut and expect the economy to not be impacted.)

demonizing black men for all of society’s ills
is not going to help this country out of its current recession or increase job growth or keep people in their houses or end the war in Iraq.

and to all the people who are so comfortable with blanket generalizations about the venality of black men,
i have a question…

do you apply the same logic to Team Bush in light of their numerous crimes against the American people?

By: TallulahBankhead on March 29, 2008
at 11:14 am

Tallulah Bankhead…humm you any relation to her or the Bankhead tunnel in Mobile? Your response is ludicrous! Do you walk down the street fearing Cheney or Bush or Bernanke are gonna jump out of the shadows with a gun and try to sell you phony securities? or kidnap you , rape and murder you? like what happened to Channon Christian, Eve Carson, Adrian Burke, and the 4 victims of the Wichita massacre? Like you can read in ant metro paper..like in Houston are…where the black on white murders, rapes have been daily fare for the last 30 years, As for Bush….he is a war criminal..but that doesnt make whites any safer from black savages

By: Reb on March 31, 2008
at 8:28 pm

Reb,
yes I fear how many more americans of all colors will die because of these neocons
much more than I fear criminals.

4000 dead in Iraq was not caused by black men.

By: TallulahBankhead on April 7, 2008
at 1:47 am

Furthermore REb,
you didn’t answer the question which is
Bush is a white man
He’s a war criminal
so does this mean all white men are war criminals to you?

By: TallulahBankhead on April 7, 2008
at 1:48 am

oh another myth I’d like to dispel…
black people in America only vote for one leader and that is for the president of the united states of america.

we do not have secret meetings and nominate anyone to be our leader. contrary to who shows up on some news show because they were available to pontificate for free .

srsly, in terms of a confirmed leader for black people…
it’s George W. Bush (for worse and worse).

By: TallulahBankhead on April 7, 2008
at 1:55 am

I heard that they shot her 5 times in the car. Threw her out and ran over her. All the got was $200. Unbelievable!

By: David Justice on April 28, 2008
at 6:40 am

Reb,
Why are you here stirring up racial hatred? I thought we told your ass to get lost a while ago.

By: Shauncey on April 28, 2008
at 8:59 am

The simplest solution would be shipping all blacks to Liberia. We are fed up.

We have tried for over 40 years to appease blacks and make amends for things 95% of whites were not even guilty of. Blacks have not improved, given freedo, they are merely regressing to their natural savage state. They have and continue to steal our wealth, rape our women, destroy our cities, and kill our people.

They were savages when they were sold by their tribes in the jungles and, when the jews shipped them here, and they are savages now. Simply put we don’t want them around.

Their words are meaningless, their race produces nothing we need, and they are a danger as a group and as individuals. It is time for them to go, and all the outrage pouring from their big black mouths changes nothing. Their stupidity and worthlessness precludes any validity for their so called outrage.

It is time for them to go. Eve Carson was worth more than 50 million blacks, just in physical beauty alone, not to mention her intelligence or potential to contribute to this world.

All of you liberals are going to be judged one day as accessory to these girls’ murders and to the countless other crimes that these demonic black bastards have committed against us.

By: Mike K. on June 5, 2008
at 8:21 am

You don’t think that you will be judged for hating God’s people. We are all of the human race.
To be so prejudice must really be a burden to you.

By: Lavonna on June 5, 2008
at 10:26 am

Mike K,
Anyone ever tell you how stupid you are?? Obviously not, but I’m here to let you know. I’m black, and I AIN’T going anywhere. Here’s my suggestion to you. Why don’t YOU leave and go somewhere that we’re NOT. I don’t think Eve would’ve agreed with your comment, “Eve was worth more than 50 million blacks”. I just don’t see that evilness in her, but I do see it in your sorry ass. Why not go sprew your hatred around some real BLACK men and see how far you get?? I can guarantee you at the very least you’ll LIMP back from that desiginated location. The slave days are over idiot, get over it or get lost. Better yet, get over it AND get lost, scumbag.
We miss and love you Eve Carson-coming from a BEAUTIFUL black woman.

By: Shauncey on June 5, 2008
at 11:14 am

Cry like the piece of crap you are Shauncey, things are changing dramatically in this country and you might be surprised what happens when the economy collapses.

Oh and boo hoo, it isn’t hate, it’s common sense. Love your line about spewing my ‘hatred’ around blacks.. it’s true they would murder me, just like the violent immoral savages they are because they will never have reasoned dialogue, never admit fault, never make amends, and never accept responsibility for the evil they do. Blacks like you feel we should never get outraged even as our women are raped and our people killed by your savage race. You are typical of the black mindset and you wonder why we don’t want you around.

Times are changing, and it will be surprising what happens.

By: Mike K. on June 6, 2008
at 9:21 am

reverse discrimination has never worked. You can see it in the hostility and the feeling of entitlement in these youths. Always wanting something without having to work for it because I’m a victim of social injustices 200 years ago.

Society owes me, so I can rightfully steal $1400 from Eve Carson and execute her and steal IPod from Abhijit Mahato, the Duke grad student, and shot him in the head.

The black media needs to focus on guys like Cleveland & Bakari Sellers: http://www.sc.edu/carolinian/features/02_spring2008.html

Sellers was in the middle of racially volatile times. Look how intelligently he fought and look at what a shining example of his productive approach-his son. People need to look to people like Sellers for inspiration not some gang banging rapper.

By: David Justice on July 1, 2008
at 3:40 am

Mark K I am with you! Get off the pity pot black folk. 14 percent of the pop. and you get more attention than is deserved. My family didn’t even get here till 30 years after your so called salvary and I have to pay for it?

Here is a suggestion! If you hate salvary so much and it drives your races to snuff out others without a reason like Eve (taking her from her apartment and killing her). THEN QUIT HAVING KIDS FOR THE REST OF US TO SUPPORT. AFDC SHOULD CUT YOU ALL OFF AT ONE KID AND THERE WOULD BE A LOT LESS CRIME IN THE USA. YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU WERE SUPPORTED BEFORE 1862 AND NOW YOU EXCEPT TO SUPPOSED FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFES. IN SHORT GET OVER YOUR ASS! YOU RAISE KILLERS! CRY ME A RIVER OVER THESE TWO LOSERS. ONE CAME FROM A BROKEN HOME AND THE OTHER LOST HIS FATHER. NOW THERE IS A REASON TO KILL? WHATEVER!

By: kay on July 12, 2008
at 12:00 am

oh,I forgot a point—-”Where is good ole Al Sharpton?” I guess he forgot to show up to this event or the murder of the AL Auburn “WHITE FEMALE” that same week. Wonder why? But his mouth was running ffffrrrreeeeeee during white boy raped black stripper for months. OOPS! Who’s the Daddy’s baby and the Duke boys didn’t rape her story, hmmmmm “No Comment AL?” J O K E! Just like Jesse Jackson has never had a J O B.

By: kay on July 12, 2008
at 12:09 am

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By: mylifeofcrime on July 12, 2008
at 9:05 am

You guys have to see that he has to change clothes so try capturing facial exspression insted of clothing or a car try seeing it from a point of view… What was stolen, why was it stolen, why was she murdered for this reason, why at this location… now that you mention it why near this location… if you think of the probability that the guy still lives in the area is a 55.55% chance.

By: Joseph Sheldon on June 24, 2009
at 5:16 am

Mike K,
You can kiss my ass. (you too Kay) So…….it’s recession time, and guess what?? This black woman is STILL standing. Financially AND spiritually. Tell me, how are you holding up? Have they towed your crummy trailer that you dwell in yet? Your a joke, hardly worth mentioning.
Kay, obviously you and dear Mike are from the same trailer park. Your ignorance is showing. Since you two hate black peopke so much, I suggest you both get the hell up outta here. Because guess what?? We are here to STAY. Why don’t both of you go to the nearest African-American hangout and tell them all exactly how you feel about them. Then maybe you can both soothe each others wounds from getting the shit kicked outta you. LMAOff.
Losers!!!

By: Shauncey on June 24, 2009
at 10:17 am

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