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December 21, 2007 at 3:43 pm
I hate to be the one to say it (you know a lot of people are thinking the same thing) but this sounds like another story about disrespectful teenagers who weren’t prepared for the possible consequences that come with threatening someone. I am in no way saying it is right, but if someone came to my house and threatened my child, I would be tempted to do the same.
December 21, 2007 at 4:08 pm
I agree you show up at my house on my property making threats to my baby. Your ass is going down consider yourself lucky if you limp out. I can’t believe this even went to court. A man trying to defend his family.
December 21, 2007 at 4:13 pm
I will say this. The only way I could justify shooting ANYONE in the face is if my life or my child’s life was in DANGER. I don’t know the whole story yet, but teenagers getting into an argument amongst themselves, or even physically fighting, is not a good enough reason to shoot someone in the face, whether they came to your house or not. Teenagers are teenagers for a reason, they don’t have the maturity and experience of adults. If Daniel came to this kids house with his friends, threatening to kill this kid with a deadly weapon, then these actions are justified. But if that was not the case, this is truly tragic.
December 21, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Caroyln,
Is it me, or does the dad look crazy?
December 21, 2007 at 7:40 pm
so, if a gang/group of black young men came to your (white) house after repeatedly calling you, threatening that they were coming to kill you, and then actually showed up on your doorstep, your property and violated the sanctity of your estate…well, I don’t know about you, but in my book, they would be dead. The only difference would be that I would then call the cops after I did the deed and explain and add further. Officers, I do not think the others will come back to harass or intimidate my family ever again. This is what happened to my father’s family when he was just 13 and his father was away. “Bad Men” came to his house and he came out with a shotgun and told them don’t ever come back here ever…and they didn’t, but some people are just stupid. Like this kid who got shot in the face for threatening to kill this man’s son for no good reason.
December 22, 2007 at 11:16 am
was in ny recently @ criminal court and watched a murder trial involving a daniel arthurs and the deceased tyrie porter, murder happened in may 2006 @129 parkavenue, just wondering if any one knows how the trial turned out as i am back living in belfast
thankx
December 22, 2007 at 12:33 pm
The cops would not have helped, they would have found a way to make this the black mans fault. I’m sorry but with all of these cops killing young black man in New York, its hard for me to feel sorry for this kid. Even though the cops shooting have nothing to do with the case.
December 22, 2007 at 2:11 pm
1. Well, if the kid thought the rape threat was legitimate, why didn’t HE call the cops, instead of basically forming a lynch party?
2. I dont like to stereotype, but the kid who got shot was like a wannabe “Growing Up Gotti”, and you see a lot of these kids in the NY suburbs and a LOT of them are incredibly racist. Does that mean he should be shot and killed? No, absolutely not. But if anything, this shows that you can’t just run around trying to be a tough guy and dropping “N” bombs without consequence
3. The black family lived in a predominantly white, upper-middle class neighborhood with a predominantly white police force. For all we know, the family could have had problems with the police force in the past. It’s not too far-fetched to think that the family didnt trust the police to come to their aid.
It is my opinion that the man shot and killed the kid to protect his family from a potentially dangerous situation at the hands of an angry, racist mob. I dont blame him at all
December 22, 2007 at 8:37 pm
G-MACK pretty much exemplifies the reason that things like this occur. I’m personally amazed that the jury convicted this guy of murder. I would have done the exact same thing in his position even if I knew beforehand I would be going to prison for the rest of my life because of it. He defended his son’s life and got a raw deal because of it.
However,
I have already heard Sharpton on the radio talking about the injustice of the matter.
This has been turned into yet another ill-conceived so-called “Civil Rights” battle where there really shouldn’t be one. It’s a fine new example of the jokes we have for civil rights leaders turning any innocuous thing into some suggestion that black people should be given a free pass to commit any crime we want whenever we perceive racism. Morons like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren’t heroes in the civil rights movement, they are peddlers of racism. They aren’t the solution to the problem, they perpetuate it.
So G-MACK, when you go spouting off about how you don’t feel sorry for the kid who was shot because in your little mind, there’s all kinds of racist things going on in the country – I want you to realize what a hypocrite you are. Because you are just as much of a racist as any of the people you are railing against.
December 23, 2007 at 12:53 am
They’re both idiots. The kid was a smart-mouthed, typical guido racist wanna be tough guy who takes a band of merry men on a drunken ride over to kill someone in their words. dad was a moron who didn’t just call the police to begin with and escalated things needlessly. A simple brandishing of the weapon would make any of these loser kids cry and run. He also didn’t call the police even after he shot them, nor 911, if it were a grown man, maybe, but a kid, come on. Someone labeled Ciccaro a ‘peacemaker’ but i Don’t see how one makes peace driving drunk with a band of five kids to hunt someone down at their house to, in their words, kill him. Oh, and to boot, it was a myspace hoax, the kid never did what they wanted to get him for. Typical NY Guido overreaction. You’re not the damn godfather.
December 23, 2007 at 12:59 am
It just goes to show – You wanna be a tough guy, whether it be the Dad or that kid, you’re gonna have to deal with the consequences. “Defending honor” is not an excuse for an altercation in this day and age. You go to someones house threatening them, that’s a serious crime. You shoot a child in the face without firing even a warning shot, that’s a serious crime. We all lose in this event, because both parties were simply brazen foolish and outright dumb. Peacemaking..sure. I don’t even go to parties, let alone ride over to peoples houses threatening them. I guess that makes me Gandhi now, right? If he’s a peacemaker, I am the pope. By the way, I’m from Miller Place.
December 23, 2007 at 1:36 am
I don’t understand how this even went to trial. They call his son and threaten to kill him, using racial slurs in the process. They actually show up at his house in the middle of the night, drunk, violent and continuously using racial slurs. Physical altercation occurs and after that one of the kids is dead. Isn’t it self defense??
Ok, I accept the fact that he should have called the cops before arming himself and going out there. But it’s still self defense, isn’t it?
December 26, 2007 at 11:01 am
What does some rich, spoiled suburban kid expect when he tries to act like a thug? He wasn’t prepared to meet up with a real thug like White. The kid was racist and drunk and obviously it’s the parents who are to blame. The shooter was an absolute moron for walking out with a gun and arming his song with a shotgun so he also deserves to go to jail/die. Good riddance to both.
December 26, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Allin,
You must not have kids or you would not be saying that “dad” needs to go to jail.
I have 2 teenager girls and although they are both bigger than me I will protect them anyway that I had too and if that means bringing my gun outside or a ballbat or whatever it took to kick someone’s butt that is on my property I would and I would not regret it.. I believe that God gave us our children and it our duty to protect them. Just like it our duty to raise them up to love people and love and serve God. So I think “dad” should be left alone, he was defending his son and if he hadn’t been then he wouldn’t be much of a dad.
December 26, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Lavonna,
I couldn’t agree with you more. If I thought my daughter was being threatened in any way, I wouldn’t hesitate to protect her in any way I knew how.
December 27, 2007 at 1:39 pm
What you people don’t seem to be understanding is that the kids did not go to his front door. They were on the sidewalk when John White shot the boy in the face. I hardly think that they could have felt threatened enough to walk out of their safe house with unregistered weapons.
December 27, 2007 at 1:48 pm
“White testified that the group spewed racial epithets and started coming up his driveway when Daniel Cicciaro lunged at him, causing the gun to fire once, accidentally, striking Cicciaro.”
Ann,
That was in the news, they were coming up his driveway. Does not say they were on the sidewalk and even if they were they had no business at Mr. White’s house. They were there to start trouble and they got more than they bargained for.
You don’t know they didn’t feel threatened and as a father he probably should have thought harder, but I understand because as a mother I would have more than likely done the same thing cause when I feel threaten I react and think later.
December 27, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Matt,
You had some great points that I totally agree with you on.
Good job on your comments buddy.
January 6, 2008 at 11:43 am
Anyone ever given any thoughts to what would have happened if the kid that lunged for the gun would have gotten it away?
Kids especially ones that have made previous threats, that go to someones house in the middle of the night to hurt someone, deserve whats coming to them, the rest should thank God everyday, it wasnt worse.
The fact this guy was prosecuted is a friggin joke. Id love to have him for a neighbor.
February 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Get your facts right! John white is a black man who raised his children. He’s a hard working man. A family man! They have never been in trouble with the law. These young guys came to home, threatened him and his family. These young guys made death threats to him and his family members. The gun went off accidentally as one young guy tried to grab it. Unfortunately, if they had not gone over to his home at 11:30pm, this would not be an issue today. If this young man could control his alcohol, he would be here today. If his parents were their for him just as Mr. White was their for his son…this would not be an issue. Oh and no, Mr White doe not look crazy, he looks tired and simply exhausted. My heart goes out to him..,not because he’s black, but because he got caught up in America’s lack of parental control for their offsprings and shameful all out injustice….! And one more thing, I applaud Rev. Al Sharpton for standing up….someone has to..
February 14, 2008 at 8:05 pm
common sense 1,
You applaud Sharpton? One of the two most racist individuals to ever walk the earth. It shocks me that Tawana Brawley incident. He will always come out and scream discrimination when a black person has been harmed, but never NEVER has a good word to say about a white victim of a black person. Just like Jesse Jackson, who once again this week has offended America by placing a wreath at the site of the Lane Bryant shootings, but not for ALL of the victims of that heinous event, but just for the black victims. How should the families of the other women feel?
Please do not talk about Sharpton here.
February 27, 2008 at 12:39 am
This case is bothering me. In this country we have the right to defend ourselves, right to bear arms, and the right to protect our property. I live in an all white neighborhood and I am the only Latino in this area. I am a law abiding citizen of this country and work hard for my family and our house.
You mean to say – if a bunch of angry white teenagers (in my area – skinheads) started a lynch mob in my house – threatening to kill me or my child – shouting racial epitaphs – and I can’t do anything about that? Give me a break…
So I have 2 choices; either me and my family wait for the cops while these a-holes assault us, torture us, and probably burn our house. Or defend my family by shooting these bastards – but…. i have to go to jail (because i am not white). This is bullsh*t. I say this Cicciaro kid got what he deserve. And White got a bad deal in life because he is black. Great!
March 2, 2008 at 5:39 am
It really makes me wonder why anyone would go out to confront a mob if they feared for their life. The smart thing to do is to call the police. It’s obvious Mr. White intended to murder a white boy that night.
March 18, 2008 at 7:19 pm
It’s interesting reading all of the comments. As an educated African-American female currently residing in Suffolk County, I find the entire situation pathetic. Black people on Long Island are not given the same rights or privileges of whites who reside here side by side as well. There are clearly two seperate and distinct set of laws. I truly do not understand how defending yourself in your home on your property results in a “manlaughter” or “murder” charge. Whether by accident or intent it is wrong that John White was convicted period. We all know if Mr. White were not Black this case would have never gone to trial, never wasted anyone’s time, and never wasted the taxpayers money. I have had the privilege to meet John White and his son Aaron and clearly see this was a most ragic and unfortunate event. I will be at the sentencing on 3/19/08 and witness yet another injustice. Race was clearly the motivator for the mini-lynch mob. If white teens would turn off MTV and stop trying to emulate what they see on television we would all be better off. They need to realize TV is not reality and further need to create their own identities and stop patronizing everything a “Black” person on TV, radio, music, or other forms of media do. Its fantasy not reality. Get with the program.
March 19, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Nonstamped, sorry you feel that way:
1) “There are clearly two seperate and distinct set of laws.”
Not correct, only your perception. What color were the police who arrived at the scene? Do you know, or do you want to make your own assumptions, too.
2)”defending yourself in your home on your property results in a “manlaughter” or “murder” charge”
Defending yourself in your home is certainly permissable. However, Mr. White went outside his home to confront which is not permissable.
Maybe you should examine your own misconceptions first.
March 19, 2008 at 4:19 pm
dude went to the guys house with a mob and got shot. next time call him out solo and fist fight after school one on one like normal people. Typical spoiled Guido Soprano coward. Mr. Cicciaro this is all on you for raising a guido racist caveman. Go change my oil. The whole thing should have never gone to court. Guy defended his family from a drunken mob. Cicciaro watch your dumb brat next time and this won’t happen.
March 19, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Shouting racial epithets is not against the law. It is vile, it is disgusting. But it is not against the law.
If you fear for your life, you do not go outside your home to the end of your driveway to confront drunk kids. No doubt, these kids were assholes. Had this event not occurred, it’s likely that a few of them would be in jail now. But, the kids were not at his front door. They were at the end of the driveway.
You don’t shoot people at the end of the driveway. Even nasty, racial-epithet yelling, drunken, foolish assholes. At your front door, you shoot them. Not at the end of your driveway. You call the cops and if they move toward the house before the cops get there, well you’re armed. With an unlicensed gun I might add.
All parties here are assholes, idiots. That’s why there was a trial. It wasn’t a clear cut case. By the way, can we drop the “good family man without a record” crap? Most of us are good family men without a record. That’s what we are supposed to be, but if we shoot somebody it should not give us a pass just because we have somehow managed to keep our noses clean and stay out of jail. THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. You don’t get a medal for that one.
March 19, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Mr. Cicciaro, you made yourself look like an idoit today. How can you make such comments “if Aaron White gets shot, let’s see how the outcome would be”. That is a direct threat bro. Not to mention, you curse and yell when you are confronting the media?? What the hell is that about? I understand you are mad, but from what I remember in December, I THOUGHT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FORGAVE HIM!!!!!! I do feel bad for what happened to your kid, but he is like any other kid from selden…he thought he was tough when he was hammered. It’s ashame.
The man was trying to do what any man would….defend his son and family. He is a hard-working man and has been a good semaritan. This man will pay justice, but doesn’t deserve the pay for 20 years for defending his family from 5 kids from selden…those kids are nutttttin!!!
ps..ill come over down to pt. jeff to get a oil change
March 20, 2008 at 7:04 am
Reverse the roles 5 black teenagers show up at the Cicciaro house and threaten their family in Riverhead, NY, and Daniel Cicciro Sr. kills on of them. Chances are no one would even be talking about it and it would never have made it to court. The same people who are outraged now would be calling Cicciaro Sr. a hero for protecting the community. That’s the way it is like it or not.
March 20, 2008 at 5:22 pm
If this young man and is wannabe tough buddies were properly raised they would have made a better choice that night. I don’t believe they would have arrived at a white homeowners house and confronted the owner. It was their up- bringing that made them feel that they had a white right to go to the home of a black family and take matters into their own hands.
As a father I can understand Mr. Ciccaro anger, however he should accept that his son’s actions that night are the cause of what happen, instead of acting like an out of control tough guy himself who’s son was the innocent victim of crime.
March 20, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Every life is precious. That said, it is safe to say that Mr. Ciccaro is clearly mentally ill. He is a disgrace to all of us who have lost loved ones to murder. His outrageous and disgusting behavior, along with that of his wife dishonor their poor son. The Suffolk County Police Dept should keep track of them, as they are clearly a threat to the White’s and the community.
They make Amy and Joey look like the very best of Long Islanders.
March 20, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Okay lets go here NOW. First stay up because I will no longer use proper writing skills.
For anyone to believe that this man had a right is out of their minds and you know what this was probably racist fom the start but dont tell me that because of the history of the way that black people were treated gives them the right to now be racist against the white people and nothing is to be done about this , If my son was threatened this would have been handled before they had a chance to come to my house but in the same respect after be dealing with the KIDS because thats what they are i would ask my son what the hell he did to create this mess dont tell me that he had a right and he shouldnt be in jail what kind of so called MAN are you if you need a gun to protect yourself OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE from teenagers that is the biggest load of crap I HAVE EVER HEARD! if there was any sort of fight between the two while trying to kick the kids off okay but shooting them sorry NO! and if there was an “angry black mob” outside Mr. White’ds house would this be the same hell no the other kid would still be living and there propbably wouldnt have been a gun, the minimum sentencing for and unregistered gun is three years alone, please and Al Sharpton has something to say, that man is so wrong he doesnt even realize it, he sticks his nose into everything that can help the black community but when four white girls are hospitalized because they were playing basketball and black girls wanted the court Where is that? What is his comment on that? or when the black kids got beat up because they were in the process of stealing four bikes out of white peoples property Were the white people supposed to shoot them? No they cant right that isnt ok, dont tell me that racism goes one way and that whenever something happens to the other everyone should look the other way
You all should do me a favor sit your teenage son down and ask him to honestly yell you the cromes and things that he has said to other teenagers and then ask yourself if you would be okay if the parents of THOSE kids shot your son?
March 20, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Oh and for those that think Mr. Cicciaro is “crazy, mentally ill” or had a disgusting behavior go into your childs room look at them while they sleep and then imagine that for whatever reason someone killed them and you can no longer do that Dont tell me you wouldnt have the same or worse reaction because I know I would.
March 20, 2008 at 9:19 pm
First of all I need to reply to Kate Miller : There is no reason or anyone to be watching Mr. Ciccaro. As his neighbor I can tell you he is far from crazy. He is living every parent’s worst nightmare. Go find a dictionary and start by look up the words grief,pain,anguish ,loss & injustice. After that multiply those definations by a million and maybe you’ll be able to feel a speck of what that family has gone through. You are an idiot
March 20, 2008 at 9:55 pm
As for everyone else who feels such sympathy for the good upstanding hardworking Mr.White who was only protecting his family. Give me a break. This isn’t the wild west, your not allowed to go kill a child because you didn’t like what he said. He is so upstanding he gets a threat from a bunch of kids ….So he GIVES THE KIDS DIRECTIONS TO HIS HOUSE….He has approx 20-30 minutes before they get there (which is more then enough time to make a 911 call) but instead Mr upstanding citizen goes and gets his unregistered illegal gun AND then proceeds to arm his own child with another unregistered illegal gun ….then he lies in wait for these kids to show up… The kids arrive at his house and a 17year old child with his whole life ahead of him is shot in the face because he used the infamous N word. What that man did is not only murder it is premeditated. Going to get the guns arming himself and his son, that shows malice and forthought. Protecting his family?? From what ? Kids saying bad words at the end of his driveway? Thats what we have police for. All it would have taken was one phone call but instead Mr. upstanding citizen chose to murder a child. They should lock him up and throw away the key but they aren’t going to do that are they? Why? Because he pulled the race card…Because good old Al Sharpton showed up to put his spin on things.This whole race card is turning into a get out of jail free card….It just makes me sick. Oh and to all of you who are blaming the Ciccaro’s for how they raised their son….You ought to be ashamed of yourselves….You only know what the media and a muderer told you about this boy….why don’t you ask one of the 600 people who showed up for his funeral? Better yet you should post your real names, maybe the rest of us mere mortal parents could take lessons on how to raise the perfect child as I’m sure all of you have……Go look in the mirror and ask yourself who you are to judge them or maybe go look for the skeletons in your own closet I’m sure you’ll find more then one. Keep in mind the mistakes your children have made …..Did they have to pay for any of them with their life?
March 20, 2008 at 10:26 pm
i just find it amazing how people who dont know the facts can describe the story in so many different ways yet still come to the same conclusion that the italian guy deserved what he got. y’know,i ‘ve been around this cityfor some 58 years and its a cold day in may when an italian takes anyones life but their own.personally i think if you people had a rope and a lynch mob you’d be taking care of business in no time-”another guido italian”,give me a break;and dont start crying when an italian cop asks you what the hell happened!
March 21, 2008 at 12:32 am
This whole story has been blown out of proportion. The fact is, Daniel was still a victim despite his obviously bad intentions. Having been an acquaintance of him and the family and gone to the same school as Daniel jr. did (although I was ahead of him) I understood that he was not the best person, or the most peaceful. He frequently got into fights, thought he was a tough guy, and drank too much at parties. However, none of these are crimes enough that someone should pay for them with his life.
With the Whites having had ample time to call the police, the situation could easily have been defused. I understand that there is a justified fear of the police within the Black community, but when it comes to protecting your family, you cannot risk anything. Also: what police officer would allow a group of OBVIOUSLY drunk teens to attack another teen?
I believe that the notions of “killing someone” for Daniel and his friends are not a serious one, and that they thought only of intimidating, calling names, and (probably) beating up Aaron.
Aaron did NOT deserve to be beat up, and CERTAINLY not to be killed, but this whole notion of the fear of a lynching has been played to perfection by the White family. There are many better ways to refuse to be victimized without victimizing others.
Daniel Cicciaro and his friends showed up at the house COMPLETELY in the wrong, however one solitary police car sitting in front of the White’s house could have solved the entire situation. Fear of the police is real, but that is a different motive than protection, for when you feel your life and the lives of your loved ones are in danger, wouldn’t you exhaust measures to protect them, and not even leave the house? The whole idea of guns takes the notion of self-defense out of it…after the gang had showed up not armed, the father and son could have easily retreated long before getting as close as they did for the kill shot.
Whatever the case, it ends in cliche because no one wins. There is no form of justice that can bring the Cicciaro’s their child back, or no amount of wishing on the behest of the Whites that they’d have just called the police or not left their house that night.
I certainly appreciate the anger of the Cicciaro family, and I probably be JUST as angry if I were in their situation, but their anger will not help them heal. Only time can assuage the deep grief they feel, and whether that time is spent with or without Mr. White in prison, it will not aid them.
This story is an absolute tragedy, and I hold both sides to blame (although considerable more with Mr. White, who is an adult and should have known far better). Drunken fighting is very sad, but it happens fairly often among people of the age. The fact that one person died is a testament more (in my opinion) to the times than as any kind of indictment of people or race. In our age I believe children are far over-protected by society and kept out of understanding reality. Once upon a time, a fight might actually solve things and people could become friends afterwards. I am NOT saying Aaron White and his father had no right to be afraid or to want protection, but that if the precaution to stop a potential FIGHT were taken than actions taken pro-actively in favor of FAR greater violence.
March 21, 2008 at 10:02 am
oo please, you people dont even know the real story of what had happend. you dont know the ciccaros nor anyone around this area. white had illegal handguns and 50 illegal rounds in his nightstand. AARON WHITE GAVE DANO JR THE DIRECTIONS TO HIS HOUSE BECAUSE AARON WANTED TO FIGHT DANO. this was all racial issue. if aaron white, was indeed white, his father would either be going away for 1. life or 2. 15-20 years. you know some of you are right, “why let someone hurt my baby?” thats true, but dont take a life for a teenager dispute cmon, if you live in suffolk county , you would know. but obviously you fucking retards have no idea about anything. bottom line, if your black you can kill anyone and get away with it as long as you make it a racial issue, then the judge, who might happen to be white, will give you a lesser settence than REQUIRED so the african american supporters dont come and kill her.
March 21, 2008 at 10:23 am
wow if every time i got in a fight as a kid my dad shot someone…he would be a mass murderer….this man will hopefully run into the people in prison who will make sure he doesn’t get out in 2 years ….anyone who thinks it’s ok to shoot someone three inches from his face shouldnt ever get out…..shooting from fear ,he would have been farther away…just lets hope he gets too meet some one who feels just as much hate !
March 22, 2008 at 1:50 am
In Texas this whole thing would likely have been “no billed” by the Grand Jury — even before the adoption of the “Castle Law” as justified lethal force.
This would be true if White were a black or white man.
The son’s behavior is almost immaterial and White likely didn’t even known it — White had a group (gang, mob, pack) of belligerent assailants entering his property and coming towards him — that they got to withing arms reach DESPITE White’s firearm is pretty good proof that they were willing to do harm.
Note that these were not “children” but full or nearly full grown young men (teenagers if you must) but they were old enough to drive and 4-5 of them could easily kill another person by accident or on purpose during the attack they were threatening and apparently carrying out.
The issue of “illegal gun” or “illegal ammo” is shameful — in this country a man (black or white) has the right to both protect himself or his family, and also to own the means to do so.
Hopefully the District of Columbia vs. Heller case heard in oral arguments at the Supreme Court this week will put an end to such unconstitutional infringements on the rights of Americans.
When it became fairly obvious that the Court would easily find an “individual right” to Keep and Bear Arms under the 2nd Amendment the lawyer for the District tried to claim there was an IMPLIED exception for “self-defense” — this was obviously untrue as the District (like in this NY case) has previously argued successfully that self-defense is no excuse for the “illegal guns” they ban.
The District has also argued (again successfully) that the police have no actual responsibility to protect any specific person (Warren vs. District of Columbia in 1981) even if you call 911 and they PROMISE to come help.
White SHOULD go free if the facts are as presented above and in the news.
Deadly force was authorized (in any civilized jurisdiction) by the eminent and real threat of attack by a group of people entering his property illegally after threats to “kill” and indicating further willingness to do violence — once deadly force is authorized the actual use of that force is the responsibility of ONLY the attacker who brings it upon himself.
March 22, 2008 at 8:30 am
Let Me juss say thiz iz the defenition of bigotry…that iz wat bigotry looks like..He blames every black person 4 his hardships..U comes off extremely out of control angry & out of pocket..He makes threats against the world if he dosent get his way…lets bullie people until we get it…beleives the “system” iz against him…letz B clear any young person dying before getting a chance 2 live their life iz a tradgedy..but Mr. Cicciaro we can obviously see where Ur son got that attitude from…the only reason Y Mr. White is even facing jail time cause it was an illegal firearm & the distance of property can B debated in courtz..but a young white racist mob hell bent on assulting his boy & at his residence ??? wat dew We dew ?? wait until hes chased in2 traffic or sumthing ?? it took a fraction of that 2 kill Sean Bell…U say call the cops & wat ?? wait 4 these boys 2 throw a flaming cocktail through the window..or use their pistol if they may have one..that takes only a few seconds the cops mayb 15plus mins on a domestic disput at best…not real…take stock in urself Mr. Cicciaro..cause thiz iz ur fault..Ur boy followed ur arcain teaching & got hiz self killed…own up Mr. Ciccaro cause ur as see through as a pane of glass..blame the freinds that were wit him…they R as responsible as anyone…the rite 2 protect Ur home & ur family iz a fact & a constitutional rite..wateva color U appear..I feel 4 the lost of a youth & the judgment Mr. White has 2 carry wit him now…but U Mr. Cicciaro U showed the shame of Urself….”the fear of the dark”. Sumtimes our children seem like polar oppositse of Us..sum take parts of Us…Look in the mirror first Mr. Cicciaro..cause wats obvious iz that Ur son stood in Ur image…
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March 22, 2008 at 6:54 pm
The whole deal stinks. Lets go back to the when Whites lived on one side of town and blacks on the other. Than we can have NATO do the policing. The bottom line is is that this so called man made the choice to leave the safty of his home and confront these kids. Justice will be done when this man expires and the good lord sends him to hell.
March 24, 2008 at 7:04 am
Dr_giggles Says:
February 27, 2008 at 12:39 am
This case is bothering me. In this country we have the right to defend ourselves, right to bear arms, and the right to protect our property. I live in an all white neighborhood and I am the only Latino in this area. I am a law abiding citizen of this country and work hard for my family and our house.
You mean to say – if a bunch of angry white teenagers (in my area – skinheads) started a lynch mob in my house – threatening to kill me or my child – shouting racial epitaphs – and I can’t do anything about that? Give me a break…
So I have 2 choices; either me and my family wait for the cops while these a-holes assault us, torture us, and probably burn our house. Or defend my family by shooting these bastards – but…. i have to go to jail (because i am not white). This is bullsh*t. I say this Cicciaro kid got what he deserve. And White got a bad deal in life because he is black. Great!
Dumbass. If the races of the two had been reversed, the white shooter would be rotting in jail with AL Sharpton and 100 unemployed crack niggers chimping out in the streets.
The white kids went to the house ’cause the little nigger white threatened to rape a 15 year old white girl. They were not armed, he came out of the house, and since when are “racial epithets” grounds for shooting someone?
If you think they were going to “torture” someone, like the black gang that tortured, raped, and murdered Channon Christian in Knoxville, then you need to lay off the crack pipe.
You just don’t get it, moron. Blacks kill white far far more than the other way around. And every time they do, they blame “slavery.” I’ll say it again, if the races of the two had been reversed, we’d never hear the end of this “hate crime.”
March 26, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Are you serious? Channon Christian are you joking this has nothing to do with this case but since you want to bring up dumb isht like that what about Charles Manso Jeffery Dahmer. What about the six white people who kidnapped Meghan Williams and tied her up raped stabbed strangled and cut her hair off while calling her a ni**3r, not to mention she was mentally retarted. What about Thomas Peck who stabbed and killed Tyrone Terry a young man that came her on vacation to see his family from North Carolina. White people deffinately kill far more then black folks if you look at the stats over the years way before slavery, white poeple come out far on top what a SURPRISE.
April 4, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I just saw this story unfold on 20/20. It is a terrible tragedy. Can we all agree on that? The Cicciaro and White families are destroyed. I have to say though, if I were a part of the White family, I would be terrified too. To act rationally in a moment of terror is not an action we can all uphold. Also, convictions that the White family had ample time to call 911 is a fact only the White family can know. Yes there are records but how accurate are they in reflecting the true timeline of events? Of all the comments on this blog, I found Herb Martin’s comments the most sound, informative, and thoughtful. There is a back story to this that I haven’t read about. What ever happened to the blogger who started this chain reaction; pretending to be Aaron White? Whoever he is has blood on his hands. Its all very sad.
April 4, 2008 at 11:09 pm
There are no winners here. But for people to make racist statements about ANY of those involved is ignorant and does nothing to diffuse the tensions that have arisen out of this case. Bottom line, Mr. White sat in wait. He armed himself and his son. He came out of his home. He knew these boys were coming and did not call the police or any parents of the kids involved. Mr. White was the adult here but, unfortunately, he acted no more rationally than the teenagers involved. He shot Daniel Cicciaro and, though I don’t agree with what was said, I can certainly understand his parents’ rage and unimaginable grief. One call to the police by the ADULT involved in the situation and Daniel might still be here. Yet the adult isn’t paying for the murder he committed, intentionally or otherwise. I would be equally as outraged. I am outraged.
“The issue of “illegal gun” or “illegal ammo” is shameful — in this country a man (black or white) has the right to both protect himself or his family, and also to own the means to do so.” – Really? So everyone has the right to protect themselves using illegal firearms? Would you also feel this way if Daniel’s father had done the same? What about the mentally ill? A paranoid schizophrenic should have access to a gun illegally because he or she might feel the need to protect him or herself?? Would you feel the same if one of your loved ones was gunned down by someone with an illegal gun? Never mind the fact that most illegal firearms land in the hands of gang members (not referring to anyone involved in this case). Your argument is flawed, to say the least.
April 5, 2008 at 10:32 am
Just another stupid thing. First, the boys should not have gone over to Whites home. But ,White seemed to be a nut case. Why did White have his home armed to the tee. Hand guns, rifle, an ax by the front door. Its like he was waiting for something to happen, and it did. Why didnt White call the police, he had enough time????. I am sick of the racial excuse. It always pops up.Heck, if are excuse fails, lets use the racial excuse. White had the gun loaded, gives his son a rifle, and proceeds out the door.He forgot one thing, his phone.Instead of buying a big home, he should of puchased a fort!!!!!!! Maybe we can collect some money and buy White a big guard dog.This is not the American dream, its a nightmare that came true.
April 5, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Okay, for all of you trying to imply that the cops may have been unlikely to respond to the White’s request for help at their home are absolutely NUTS! First of all, they had called MANY MANY times in the past years they lived there. The police had responded then, so why wouldn’t they respond now? Enough with the TERRIFIED WHITE’S family, as a description. How on EARTH could someone be so TERRIFIED, that they walked outside of the safety of their home, 20 minutes AFTER a phone conversation between their son and these boys took place. This gave them PLENTY of time to call the police, stay INSIDE their home, and wait for them to show up and move the teen boys either on their way, or to jail because they were drinking.
THEY WERE NOT AFRAID! People who are afraid, stay put, lock their doors and call the police! They DO NOT, walk down a long, unlit driveway in the middle of the night with a gun in their hands. If he had the intention of protecting his child and family, he would have told his SON to stay in the house, and lock the door, at a MINIMUM! Let me ask you all this, if YOUR child came and woke up your spouse with the words they are coming to kill me dad, get up, WOULD YOU STAY ASLEEP!? NEVER!!! Not on your life!
Self defence, right defend ones life and property, are protected under the constitution. You however do not have the right to use excessive force to do so. THEY WERE UNARMED! If you must discuss the bat, fine, IT STAYED IN THE CAR however! If someone comes up to the END of your driveway, does not come on YOUR property, but stays on city owned land, you have NO right bringing a gun outside and killing someone! LOOK AT THE BLOOD SPLATTER pictures, the Daniel’s blood was on the street, the only blood found in the driveway, was blood splater from the close range shot to his head. If he was protecting himself and his family, it wouldn’t be because they were standing on the street. His defense never established imanent threat!
Let me say it again, a TERRIFIED individual, who remembers the days of the KKK, wouldn’t go down a long, unlit driveway, to a group of “dangerous, mob-like lynch men.” Give it up, this boy was MURDERED! The fact he was sentenced to 2-4 years is disgusting, it should have been atleast 7-12 based on the 2nd degree manslaughter charge, and owning an illegal handgun! It doesn’t matter if you have never been in trouble before, its the law, it applies to EVERYONE!
HE WAS MURDERED, and the WHITE’S are RESPONSIBLE! I HOPE THEY SUE HIM FOR EVERYTHING THEY OWN! If he doesn’t pay for his crime with a hefty prison sentence, they should hit him in the pocket book! To kill a teenager, unfortunately behaving like most teenage boys do–hot headed, drama filled teenage tension–and to use his behavior to justify murder, is disgusting!
REVIEW THE FACTS OF THE CASE BEFORE FORMING AN OPINION ON THE WHITES! He is a MURDERER!
April 6, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Herb Martin you’re the man! Your comments were right on.
OF COURSE White should have called the cops, but that’s irrelevant. That fact that the young man died on the sidewalk is irrelevant. (It is irrefutable that the gun was lunged or swiped at by the victim.) The fact that these young men had not turned eighteen and were drinking is also irrelevant (White had no way of knowing either). The race of the assailants is irrelevant (people have a right to protect themselves from a deadly threat.)
It is a real tragedy that White choose to exit his home instead of locking his family in a room and calling the police. He helped to create the threating environment he found himself in by doing so and it resulted in a dead assailant and a manslaughter conviction for himself. Whether the decision to confront his assailants was made with coolness of thought or whether he acted irrationally as people under life threating stress are prone to do, the decision was a bad one with terrible results.
As an owner of two “Illegal guns” that were handed down to me from my grandfather, I will take Mr. White’s example as a lesson. I will wait until the group of assailants are in my house before blowing them away.
April 18, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Kara:
Research your facts before expressing allegations of the truth. I was there. You were not! It is very unfortunate, but Daniel Jr. and his friends contributed to his demise. Secondly, the White’s do not have a long unlit drive way. If you ever been to their house you would know this, and it’s obvious that here again you have very little knowledge and insight into this case. Thirdly, wasn’t it brought out in court that Daniel Jr. had a run in with an african american male 3 weeks prior to this incident ‘calling this grown man a N——- I believe this is court testimony. This young man had a serious behavior problem and obviously he was allowed to do and say whatever he wanted..unfortunately when you raise your children to act unethical, misfortunes happens…and in this case it did. Mr. White did not murder this young man. This young man was accidentally shot as he grabbed the gun of which Mr. White held. It is also a fact that friends of this young man moved and swung the injured body which contributed to his death. You see, if you had any sense of intellect you would know-as we have all learned in basic CPR, you should never move an injured body for you may contribute to or cause more injuries to someone’s body of which his friends are of a culprit. Now, I agree that Mr. White should have called the police, but he didn’t-however he instructed his wife too and she went into shock…we all as human beings respond to crisis in different manners..so to say he murdered Daniel Jr – you are simply wrong! To say this was an unfortunate incident for all involved is correct. In case you haven’t noticed three families have been destroyed all because of blatant lies, deception, racism and destruction created by one and only one caucasian female. So, if you want to get mad and yell insanities then I suggest you take your bitterness out on her and not with the Whites’
August 8, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Guns. Without them where would that Daniel Boy be…Alive! I ask you,”Do you think we have too many guns just about everywhere in the U.S. Anyone can get a gun and kill any one at anytime. Murder is rampant in our country. I know someone who is in Riverhead NY Jail for cold blooded murder. Anger, resentments, jealousies, hatred. It doesn’t matter who looks like this or that–I’d look crazy too if someone died in my house from a gun. Imagine the shock. Imagine the world without guns. Imagine a world without hatred. I’m all for peace. We, after all are civilized. Let’s get rid of the guns…and then we can get pissed off all we want. No guns no deaths no problem!
January 12, 2009 at 10:08 am
what a bunch of raciest humans. the cicciaro family are raciest.period. not to mention the girl who cryed wolf too, and started all of this and then recanted her story. she is to blame. in hiding for nine months? buls**t. she was at a party, if she was so scared why did n’t she or daddy call the police? that’s what i thought. cicciaro went to whites house, harassed him and went looking for trouble. he assumed white was going to have him in for drinks? can’t fix stupid.